2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18

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Hang on, are you saying that Kimi should have been punished for sliding off the track and choosing not to join until later? Because thats just utter tosh.

If, however, your saying that Lewis should not have been penalised as sliding off the track in difficult conditions is just racing, and if you gain a few meters then what the hell, then fine.
I'm not saying that Kimi should be punished, just using what happened to him as an example as it was very similar to what Lewis did.

I think both were racing incidents and perfectly legal.
 
The way i see it is this, Lewis is still leading the championship and McLaren have been give a massive sympathy vote from Joe Public. The FIA however have done nothing to improve their image to F1 fans the world over [except of course ferrari fans]

At the end of the day the whole sport of F1 has come out of this with its image further tarnished and the FIA should be held to blame, Charlie Whiting included.

Whether this incident has a major influence on the final standings of the current season or not, it has been a bad week for F1.

Nice to see someone in here still speaking sense

I'm not saying that Kimi should be punished, just using what happened to him as an example as it was very similar to what Lewis did.

I think both were racing incidents and perfectly legal.

Ah ok, thats fine. The last thing we need is people calling for 25 second penalties every time someone crosses a white line!
 
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Hang on, are you saying that Kimi should have been punished for sliding off the track and choosing not to join until later? Because thats just utter tosh.
Kimi gained an advantage by using the runoff instead of going back onto the track asap, so if Lewis got penalised for gaining an advantage surely Kimi's action is more or less the same?

IMO taking the runoff on the outside to go faster is exactly the same as cutting a corner, you are not using the racetrack to gain an advantage.
 
The way i see it is this, Lewis is still leading the championship and McLaren have been give a massive sympathy vote from Joe Public. The FIA however have done nothing to improve their image to F1 fans the world over [except of course ferrari fans]

At the end of the day the whole sport of F1 has come out of this with its image further tarnished and the FIA should be held to blame, Charlie Whiting included.

Whether this incident has a major influence on the final standings of the current season or not, it has been a bad week for F1.

This only makes sense if the Championship was decided at the end of the Belgian GP - it wasnt, and its quite possible Ferrari have significant advantages in the tracks to come, which means the gap that should have been in the Championship is what matters, not that Lewis is "still leading" as that could easily NOT be the case by the end of the next race (even though if the right result stood, he would STILL be leading the Championship even with a bad race after Monza)

Interesting poll results on planet F1 as to weather or not Hamilton should have been punished.

http://www.planet-f1.com/poll/0,19301,3303_67132_r,00.html

How many people actually voted (I couldnt see an actual figure), a percentage like that could mean anything

Never visited the sight - its not got a Ferrari bias by any chance?
 
Interesting poll results on planet F1 as to weather or not Hamilton should have been punished.

http://www.planet-f1.com/poll/0,19301,3303_67132_r,00.html

it is interesting considering planet f1 is almost an official hamilton website
i think most f1 fans can see the reason why he was punished it might not have been nice for the sport but neither was the spy scandal last year yet mclaren are considered hard done too

the stop go for kimi in monaco was harsh as well tyres fitted 3 seconds after the 3 minute warning but rules are rules its just sad that when the rules are applied to hamilton then the world is in uproar mainly due to itv hysteria and shoddy news reporting
 
It's got an ever so slight Ferrari bias in the forum.

The site itself is good though. Pretty impartial. Just avoid the forum.

I find it completely biased, I preferred it before Balfe got the boot and set up Pitpass. Most of the people on planet aren't even F1 fans they just reguritate others news stories. They are all football fans and spend most of their time on f365.

Your right the forum is awful as is the one they run on football365. Mind you it's hard to find a decent f1 forum, pitpass is woefull. He moderates that in such a fashion the dons on here look like pussy cats.
 
it is interesting considering planet f1 is almost an official hamilton website
i think most f1 fans can see the reason why he was punished it might not have been nice for the sport but neither was the spy scandal last year yet mclaren are considered hard done too

the stop go for kimi in monaco was harsh as well tyres fitted 3 seconds after the 3 minute warning but rules are rules its just sad that when the rules are applied to hamilton then the world is in uproar mainly due to itv hysteria and shoddy news reporting

But the rules you speak of say you have to give the place back, then after being told twice by the race director that you have done the right thing, they go and penalise you anyway.
 
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But the rules you speak of say you have to give the place back, then after being told twice by the race director that you have done the right thing, they go and penalise you anyway.

suzuka 05 precedent
as you can see most f1 fans can why most drivers can see why and the race stewards seen why
i really dont believe mclaren asked twice either they are natural liars
massa gave a good reason and what the drivers discuss and how they approach it
 
Penalty shows new FIA system works - Alonso
Rules are rules declares Felipe Massa
11/09/08 10:33

Fernando Alonso believes the decision to strip Lewis Hamilton of his Belgian Grand Prix victory shows the FIA was right to overhaul the stewarding system for 2008.

In many expert observers' eyes, Hamilton's penalty for an apparently illegal pass near the end of the Spa Francorchamps race a week ago was evidence of either the FIA's incompetence or, worse, a pro-Ferrari bias.

But Hamilton's former McLaren team-mate Alonso believes that, for the first time, all infractions are now being dealt with consistently at races.

"The FIA decided to change (the system) after several big scandals of the past seasons," he told reporters in Madrid this week."

"This year, if you do something wrong, you pay. I touched a painted line in Valencia and I got a 10,000 Euros fine."

"The decision to change was done with very good judgement, because in the past four of five years, there were always surprises. You never knew what they were going to do," he said.

Ferrari driver Felipe Massa, meanwhile - the beneficiary of the Hamilton penalty - dismisses suggestions that the incident will discourage drivers to make risky overtaking moves.

"It is true that for good races you need good overtaking," the Brazilian told La Gazzetta dello Sport.

"But there is overtaking and then there's overtaking," he continued, explaining that after cutting the chicane, he believes Hamilton continued to use the advantage to immediately re-pass Kimi Raikkonen.

"He did not have the patience to wait for another corner and try again," Massa continued, "and the rules say he should be penalised."
 
on lap 5, Nick Heidfeld was glued to Nelson Piquet’s gearbox as they entered the selfsame chicane where, according to Lewis, he was basically pushed off.

Yet, when Heidfeld and Piquet exited onto the pit lane straight – both having followed the track – the Renault had the advantage of being first on the gas and therefore putting two car lengths between itself and the BMW.

That now, notwithstanding the fact that the BMW was much more powerful than the Renault, as could be seen by the ease with which Heidfeld steamed past Piquet, shortly afterwards, on the Kemmel straight.

The same happenend with 27 laps to go, with Heidfeld swamping all over Glock in the chicane.

Yet, when they hit the pit straight, the Toyota held its lead comfortably, even though the BMW was strong enough to simply sail past on the Kemmel straight.

Two laps later, and Kubica found the same thing with Webber. He entered the chicane on top of the Australian’s gearbox, but couldn’t come closer than two car lengths as they accelerated down the pit straight.

Yet, the BMW again trounced the Red Bull at the soonest possible opportunity after that, on the Kemmel straight.

Under normal circumstances, then – if Hamilton had followed Kimi through the chicane and stayed on the actual track, as the rules demand – the McLaren would never have been close enough to exploit traction and slip stream factors.

It is therefore clear, beyond any doubt, that Hamilton had been put into a position to overtake Raikkonen into La Source only because he had gained an unfair advantage through the chicane.

This is why he was punished, and rightfully so.

from this well balanced article - http://www.wheels24.co.za/Content/C...2418b8dad14368bec3206/01-01-0001 12-01/Egmont
 
suzuka 05 precedent
as you can see most f1 fans can why most drivers can see why and the race stewards seen why
i really dont believe mclaren asked twice either they are natural liars
massa gave a good reason and what the drivers discuss and how they approach it

Sorry struggling to understand this post. Mclaren go public with the fact that they asked twice if it was ok, the race control twice say yes but Mclaren are now lying?

Could you post your evidence for these lies please? I assume you have the recordings from Mclarens pit radios?
 
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