2008 Chinese GP - Race 17/18

In my mind of minds I believe this win at China wouldve injected some rationality in Hamiltons racing and he should go on to drive an intelligent race at Interlagos.
I have no doubt that so long as his car does not fail him, he will do what is sufficient (not necessary) to become world champion.

And to be honest, Ive said it before when Alonso was racing with Hamilton years ago, if I would have to pick a non-Ferrari driver to win the championship, it would be Hamilton.
Course its not over till the fat lady sings, but I dont need a weatherman to tell me when its peeing it down :D
 
FrankJH said:
Well of course Massa got into the points - how much time did LH lose just by having to wait for the whole train of cars to pass him after Massa had booted him off - it was certainly a lot more than the 25 or so seconds of Massa's penalty for doing that

That is what is so ridiculous about that penalty, even though Massa was penalised it was STILL worth him doing it, the penalty has to be more than what you can benefit, in this case it clearly wasnt

(remember LH obviously thought that it wasnt worth getting any new tyres for the 1st corner incident, as he had already gone past the pits at least once before being booted off by Massa - this incident was on lap 2 or 3 - but HAD to come in once the incident had happened), not only that but look how much time Fisi cost people today being overtaken in the slowest car on the grid, multiply that by the twelve or so cars/positions LH lost due to Massa alone and getting points from that point on was nigh on impossible
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The penalty should have been a stop-go for Massa in Fuji. Anyone who is involved or has been watching motor racing for any period of time would know that. The stewards do not have "25 years experience of motor racing" like that idiot Alan Donnelly attempted to suggest.

I just think it's hilarious how no matter what any driver does or the FIA does to Hamilton he just takes it and comes back at the next race stronger and recoups his points lost from the last race. At first you think all the stuff about "we'll come back stronger at the next race" is just PR bull but when you think about it most of the times he really does come back stronger :p
 
Just to clarify:

This means Massa has to finish first or second in Brazil in order to stand any chance of winning the title.

Should the Ferrari driver finish first, Hamilton needs to come home fifth or better to win because if he finishes in sixth place, although they will be tied for points, Massa will have one more race win than the McLaren driver.

And should Massa finish second, Hamilton needs to come home in seventh place to take the title as then he will have one point more than the Brazilian. But if he finishes eighth and ties with Massa for points, the Ferrari driver will steal the crown by virtue of more second place finishes.

However, if Massa can only manage third place it doesn't matter where Hamilton finishes as the title will be his.
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NathanE said:
The penalty should have been a stop-go for Massa in Fuji. Anyone who is involved or has been watching motor racing for any period of time would know that. The stewards do not have "25 years experience of motor racing" like that idiot Alan Donnelly attempted to suggest.

I just think it's hilarious how no matter what any driver does or the FIA does to Hamilton he just takes it and comes back at the next race stronger and recoups his points lost from the last race. At first you think all the stuff about "we'll come back stronger at the next race" is just PR bull but when you think about it most of the times he really does come back stronger :p
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While a stop-go would obviously have been more of a penalty (usually stop-go's are only the length of a standard pit stop, ie another 10s or so ontop of what actually happened), I still think Massa would have gained overall

I get and agree with the jist of your comment, but unfortunately its impossible for LH to actually recoup those lost points (let alone Spa ones) - even without considering everything else between those two races LH has easily lost a good 10 points imo not even considering those actually gained by Massa because of the same

However - yes LH does come back stronger and when people suggest he feels pressurised, he produces a faultless race :D

Berger said:
Kimi to take Hamilton off, Alonso to romp away at Brazil only to hand it over to Massa at the end ;)
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LH can just avoid the accident and allow Kimi in front, he doesnt need to defend the position at all so hard to see this even come close tohappening

Cavallino said:
Theoretically speaking if that were to happen, they couldnt touch Massa could they?
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Cant see how the FIA could no, but as stated LH doesnt need to fight Kimi (or even Massa) they can romp into 1-2 lead and LH can stroll into an easy 4th or 5th and still win so its hard to see how it can

Doesnt Brazil usually have rain at some point of the race weekend? Rain was also 1/2 expected today but % got smaller the nearer to the start of the race came
 
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FrankJH said:
While a stop-go would obviously have been more of a penalty (usually stop-go's are only the length of a standard pit stop, ie another 10s or so ontop of what actually happened), I still think Massa would have gained overall

I get and agree with the jist of your comment, but unfortunately its impossible for LH to actually recoup those lost points (let alone Spa ones) - even without considering everything else between those two races LH has easily lost a good 10 points imo not even considering those actually gained by Massa because of the same

However - yes LH does come back stronger and when people suggest he feels pressurised, he produces a faultless race :D



LH can just avoid the accident and allow Kimi in front, he doesnt need to defend the position at all so hard to see this even come close tohappening
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Unless Raikkonen does one of these :D

http://www.eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=2349&title=The_Sutil_Incident_Monaco_2008
 
FrankJH said:
While a stop-go would obviously have been more of a penalty (usually stop-go's are only the length of a standard pit stop, ie another 10s or so ontop of what actually happened), I still think Massa would have gained overall

I get and agree with the jist of your comment, but unfortunately its impossible for LH to actually recoup those lost points (let alone Spa ones) - even without considering everything else between those two races LH has easily lost a good 10 points imo not even considering those actually gained by Massa because of the same

However - yes LH does come back stronger and when people suggest he feels pressurised, he produces a faultless race :D



LH can just avoid the accident and allow Kimi in front, he doesnt need to defend the position at all so hard to see this even come close tohappening



Cant see how the FIA could no, but as stated LH doesnt need to fight Kimi (or even Massa) they can romp into 1-2 lead and LH can stroll into an easy 4th or 5th and still win so its hard to see how it can

Doesnt Brazil usually have rain at some point of the race weekend? Rain was also 1/2 expected today but % got smaller the nearer to the start of the race came
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I was thinking more of a LH style im coming through attempt at an overtake from way too far back.

And ooops we have touched and gone off, im sorry must have got it slightly wrong! ;)

Or a Senna/Prost lock wheels and go straight on at the first corner....

Or stop at the pit exit and let LH run into the back of him, not seen that before.....
 
Heres an interesting scenario.

Say Hamilton is in 6th, but Kovalainen is in 3rd or 4th position. Do you reckon he would drop all the way back to 6th just so that he would propagate LH into 5th (i.e. lose 3 places for the sake of Hamilton to gain 1 point?
 
Cavallino said:
Heres an interesting scenario.

Say Hamilton is in 6th, but Kovalainen is in 3rd or 4th position. Do you reckon he would drop all the way back to 6th just so that he would propagate LH into 5th (i.e. lose 3 places for the sake of Hamilton to gain 1 point?
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Will he have to? Surely he'll manage that without trying! :p

Sorry, he must be feeling rotten...on his birthday as well. :(
 
Cavallino said:
Heres an interesting scenario.

Say Hamilton is in 6th, but Kovalainen is in 3rd or 4th position. Do you reckon he would drop all the way back to 6th just so that he would propagate LH into 5th (i.e. lose 3 places for the sake of Hamilton to gain 1 point?
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Of course!!!

However it would be done in a pitstop or something - oppps we dropped a wheel etc

However the liklihood of Kovi being ahead is minimal I would think (let alone 3 places)

Berger said:
I was thinking more of a LH style im coming through attempt at an overtake from way too far back.

And ooops we have touched and gone off, im sorry must have got it slightly wrong! ;)

Or a Senna/Prost lock wheels and go straight on at the first corner....

Or stop at the pit exit and let LH run into the back of him, not seen that before.....
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At least one of those sounds like the 97 incident between JV/MS , and that could penalise Kimi and or Ferrari too heavily to be worth the risk imo (esp how displeased Kimi looked/behaved with Massa today)

If its to win the CWC (if McL are 1-2 lets say, again unlikely but possible) then thats more likely - to give Massa the title, Im not so sure Kimi would be that bothered
 
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Neat Ferrari have got a 9000km test programme lined up for the winter. So they can get fully up to speed and iron out any issues with the new technologies.

I wonder if Hamilton intended on doing that much?! :p
 
Cavallino said:
Heres an interesting scenario.

Say Hamilton is in 6th, but Kovalainen is in 3rd or 4th position. Do you reckon he would drop all the way back to 6th just so that he would propagate LH into 5th (i.e. lose 3 places for the sake of Hamilton to gain 1 point?
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I'd imagine it would have to be extremely subtle else McLaren will get all their points knocked off and a 10 grid position penalty for each race for the next 100yrs.
 
NathanE said:
Neat Ferrari have got a 9000km test programme lined up for the winter. So they can get fully up to speed and iron out any issues with the new technologies.

I wonder if Hamilton intended on doing that much?! :p
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I think that is mainly because they are so far behind their KERS development. They had problems and tried to moan a bit and get the rules changed and didn't get their way :p

BMW and Honda seem to be making the most noise on their systems.. can't wait to see how it pans out.
 
I know that renault are doing a lot with the KERS stuff as well because my Dad is involved in helping them.
They are testing stuff next week as well.
 
sunama said:
Both Massa and Hamilton had problems. The difference was that Massa was able get into the points, while Hamilton wasn't.
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Massa's impact into the McLaren caused extensive damage to the undertray and bargeboards hence the car wasn't any where near as fast as it could have been.

Both drivers had to pass one of the Hondas (I think it was Button). It took Massa 6 laps to get by and less than one for Lewis.
 
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