2011 Team mate Wars

[sunama]

I don't like medians, myself.

How about a trimmed mean? This way, any out-of-the-ordinary values, are ignored.

 

[Kenai]

This way, any out-of-the-ordinary values, are ignored.

That's what i've been trying to say, amongst all the 'what so just ignore any mistakes lol' replies.

 

[Skeeter]

But that just doesn't tally with proper statistical analysis. It depends what you want out of the data, but I would say that agreeing to discard both drivers' x worst results/times/whatever would be most appropriate.

I see your point, but in this situation, I don't think it applies. F1 drivers/teams aren't able to drop scores in the WDC/WCC, so why should we be able to when comparing drivers performances?

The things that matter in F1 are where a guy starts a race (qualifying performance) and where a guy finishes a race (race performance). To compare things using different measures than those used when they compete is always going to scew things.

 

[Kenai]

I see your point, but in this situation, I don't think it applies. F1 drivers/teams aren't able to drop scores in the WDC/WCC, so why should we be able to when comparing drivers performances?

Because saying DiResta is outqualifying Sutil by over a second a race is misleading as a comparison stat.

 

[Skeeter]

Because saying DiResta is outqualifying Sutil by over a second a race is misleading as a comparison stat.

But why include times at all? Wether a guy wins by 0.001 of a second or 2 minutes, he still wins and gets the same points. Using times as a measure to compare drivers in a sport based on position will always confuse things. Surely it should simply be who out qualified who, not by how much.

Besides, if you are going to use time differences, surely you then have to normalise them all across all the circuits for them to be comparable anyway? A 1 second gap on a 1 minute lap is very different to a 1 second gap on a 2 minute lap.

 

[sunama]

Because saying DiResta is outqualifying Sutil by over a second a race is misleading as a comparison stat.

It may be misleading (in certain ways), but it sounds bloody impressive.

 

[arknor]

It may be misleading (in certain ways), but it sounds bloody impressive.

it is misleading if you look at the graph
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/statisti...er-form-guides/paul-di-resta-2011-form-guide/
still bloody impressive anyway though

 

[sunama]

The time is impressive, but this stat is pretty impressive, too:

Qualified ahead
Di Riesta 6 1 Sutil

Keep in mind that Sutil is no slouch and Di Riesta is putting him in the shade, outperforming him in pretty much every you can imagine.

This guy needs to join a big team, fast!

 

[arknor]

sutil has 8 points
di resta has 2 points

not as impressive when you look at the race finishing positions qualifying is one thing converting your starting position into points is another.

i think it shows yes he has speed but he still has a lot to learn before hes ready for a big team

 

[sunama]

Di Riesta has also spent more laps in front of Sutil.

Like you say though, the highest WDC points total is the ultimate aim.

 

[dannyjo22]

Team mates as of Canada qfy.


Vettel out-qualified Webber 6-1
Hamilton out-qualified Button 5-2
Alonso out-qualified Massa 7-0
Rosberg out-qualified M Sch 6-1
Petrov out-qualified Heidfeld 5-2
Barrichello out-qualified Maldonado 3-4
di Resta out-qualified Sutil 6-1
Kobayashi out-qualified Perez 3-4
Buemi out-qualified Alguersuari 6-1
Kovalainen out-qualified Trulli 6-1
Liuzzi out-qualified Karthi 6-1
Glock out-qualified D'Ambrosio 5-2

Race finishes after Canada

Vettel out-raced Webber 7-0
Hamilton out-raced Button 4-3
Alonso out-raced Massa 4-3
Rosberg out-raced M Sch 4-3
Petrov out-raced Heidfeld 3-4
Barrichello out-raced Maldonado 6-1
di Resta out-raced Sutil 3-3
Kobayashi out-raced Perez 3-1
Buemi out-raced Alguersuari 6-1
Kovalainen out-raced Trulli 2-5
Liuzzi out-raced Karthi 4-2
Glock out-raced D'Ambrosio 2-5


Average qualifying gaps after Canada

Vettel to Webber -0.436
Hamilton to Button -0.01
Alonso to Massa -0.383
Rosberg to M Sch -0.251
Petrov to Heidfeld -0.616
Barrichello to Maldonado +0.428
di Resta to Sutil -0.825
Kobayashi to Perez -0.139
Buemi to Alguersuari -0.428
Kovalainen to Trulli -0.314
Liuzzi to Karthi -0.616
Glock to D'Ambrosio -0.471

Average qually position

Vet 1.14
Web 4.86
Ham 4
But 4.29
Alo 4.29
Mas 6.86
Msc 9.57
Ros 6.14
Hei 13.86
Pet 8.14
Bar 14.86
Mal 13.29
Sut 14.43
DIR 12.71
Kob 13.43
Per 13.6
Bue 12.71
Alg 14.14
Kov 18.14
Tru 19.14
Kar 23.83
Lui 21.83
Glo 21
Amb 21.43

Average finish position (races finished)

Vet 1.3 (7)
Web 3.6 (7)
Ham 3.8 (6)
But 3.6 (7)
Alo 4.5 (6)
Mas 7.0 (5)
Msc 7.8 (5)
Ros 8.5 (6)
Hei 8.3 (6)
Pet 8.8 (6)
Bar 12.2 (5)
Mal 17.0 (4)
Sut 11.3 (6)
DIR 12.2 (6)
Kob 8.2 (6)
Per 13.3 (3)
Bue 11.1 (7)
Alg 13.0 (5)
Kov 16.0 (5)
Tru 16.2 (6)
Kar 19.8 (5)
Lui 18.3 (4)
Glo 17.8 (4)
Amb 17.2 (6)

 

[Weebull]

I'd actually forgotten that there was a race where Vettel hadn't started on pole.

 

[sunama]

At present there is only 1 driver who has a 100% record of out qualifying his team-mate.

 

[dannyjo22]

The Trulli/Kova qually stat surprised me. Kova has by far got the better of him and Trulli the upper hand in races.

You would have expected Trulli to do better over 1 lap than Kova. I guess his hunger isn't what it was in 1997

What 14 years swanning around in F1 without really ever looking like he could be a world beater. What a life.

 

[sunama]

Trulli used to be a qualifying specialist.
I guess age has caught up with him.