2011 Team mate Wars

Mr Jack said:
Other than that he sat alongside first Wurz and then Nakajima, and beat both (Wurz landed the only podium the team got that season but that was down to freak strategy), but neither are particularly noteworthy drivers. Nothing in those years particularly showed Rosberg pushing that car far above its natural placing.
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Wurz did look damn good when he started, shame about the accident :(
 
Kenai said:
I don't know why I even bother sometimes, I swear people just read what they want to read rather than what I actually write.

It was a comment related purely to statistical outliers and their effect on statistics such as the mean. That's why I said:

if you were doing proper statistical analysis on this data

Perhaps people might read it now.
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Define proper analysis. Does a fluffed lap not count?

Essentially you are saying "pick the fastest q time for each driver and compare". Considering the thread was a bit of fun that's going way overboard. F1 fanatic will have all the times if you want to do the work ;)
 
EVH said:
Define proper analysis. Does a fluffed lap not count?

Essentially you are saying "pick the fastest q time for each driver and compare". Considering the thread was a bit of fun that's going way overboard. F1 fanatic will have all the times if you want to do the work ;)
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I mean an analysis whereby you calculate something like the standard deviation and realise that such a data point is a massive massive outlier and thus calculating a mean including it will be a flawed figure.

It's got virtually nothing to do with WHY that point is there in this case, just that it is.

Essentially, i'm saying absolutely nothing of the sort but whatever, I give up now, people have taken my comment way out of context.
 
sunama said:
Eh...MSc has signed till 2014?
When did this happen and have Mercedes gone mad?
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In arknors mind, Schumacher is currently the best driver on the grid, and I think he is even leading the championship with a healthy points lead. Infact the only threat to his almost certain title win is the use of fake things like DRS. Once that gets banned from every car bar the Merc he will have the title wrapped up by Silverstone. However their is a rumor that the half man half goat bloke from 'O2's mind' is going to take Norbert Haugs job, possibly putting pressure on MSc to ditch his wife and hook up with Mermaid Jane to seal the deal on a massive O2 sponsorship deal, which will see MSc drivning until retirement. He even talks about winning another 7 titles.

*wavey fade out of dream effect with music*
 
the part where i aparently claim michael schumacher is the best driver on the grid , hes certain to win a title with DRS and what other ******* you come out with without me even saying it.

where did i say he signed anything anyway? oh in your head the same as the rest of the BS you keep coming out with
 
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arknor said:
the part where i aparently claim michael schumacher is the best driver on the grid , hes certain to win a title with DRS and what other ******* you come out with without me even saying it.
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Goes with this:
Skeeter said:
*wavey fade out of dream effect with music*
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And this bit:
arknor said:
where did i say he signed anything anyway?
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Goes with this:
consider them marked , didnt schumacher just get offered a contracr for 2014 before this race... its probably signed by now on the mercedes side
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so where does that say schumacher signed anything? oh wait it does not...

its been widely reported by amus etc who are generally reliable when it comes to mercedes that he was offered a 2014 contract the other week... which is erm what i said pretty much i didnt say schumacher had signed anythingh can you read the words as they are written?
 
Blimey. You guys take this forum far too seriously.

One thing to remember is that this is just a forum and people will be out there who don't agree with what you say. It's part of life, so get used to it.

If Arknor wants to think that MSc is the best driver in the world...let him. Thats his opinion and he is entitled to it. He isn't harming any one...is he?
 
sunama said:
Blimey. You guys take this forum far too seriously.

One thing to remember is that this is just a forum and people will be out there who don't agree with what you say. It's part of life, so get used to it.

If Arknor wants to think that MSc is the best driver in the world...let him. Thats his opinion and he is entitled to it. He isn't harming any one...is he?
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some people just gotta hate , i dont get why these people are so anti schumacher to the point they make up what people have aparently posted and then quote stuff saying its something its not..

i suspect he seriously needs help.

i may be a MSC fan and he is my favorite driver that does not mean i dont respect the abilities of the other good drivers on the grid such as alonso and hamilton (when hes not showing severe brain fade)
 
I have no issue with people having opinions, I have my own, and I'm sure they are different to many other people. What I do have issue with is people confusing their own opinion with fact, and then using it as evidence for/against something.

However, I'm taking things off track so I will leave arknor be. I offered him a clean slate re-start in the DRS thread but he take it, so I will keep my opinions of him to myself. Sorry for derailing the thread.

So, where were we? Oh yeah, thats right, debating wether a driver crashing should be counted against him. In my opinion, if it affects their qualifying or race result, then yes, it should.
 
A long while ago, I remember Murray Walker and James Hunt agreeing that the top drivers like Mansell/Senna/Prost/Piquet generally make 1 mistake per (16 race) season. I would pretty much go along with that.

So, if a driver makes an error which leads to him going off the track or crashing (and ending his race), then he should be allowed to do so once per season. Any more than that and may be, he needs to tone things down a little.
 
Skeeter said:
So, where were we? Oh yeah, thats right, debating wether a driver crashing should be counted against him. In my opinion, if it affects their qualifying or race result, then yes, it should.
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But that just doesn't tally with proper statistical analysis. It depends what you want out of the data, but I would say that agreeing to discard both drivers' x worst results/times/whatever would be most appropriate.
 
DRZ said:
But that just doesn't tally with proper statistical analysis. It depends what you want out of the data, but I would say that agreeing to discard both drivers' x worst results/times/whatever would be most appropriate.
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It's not just 'discard the worst', what I was getting at was that a difference of 5 seconds compared to regular differences of around 0.2 seconds is an outlying value and so using it to calculate the mean gives a distorted (and usually misleading) figure. In such a circumstance it would be usual to use the median figure for the average rather than the mean, as this is less prone to distortion from outlying figures.

If by the end of the season it had happened another 5 times, then it would no longer be an outlier an it would be appropriate to include such a value.

It's got nothing to do with ignorning mistakes or anything like that, I made a comment from a purely analytical viewpoint, more as an interesting observation than anything else after sunama commented that Di Resta has been spanking Sutil, which in reality isn't the entire story.

It wasn't intended to turn into a massive debate (which half the participants have got the wrong end of the stick with anyway).
 
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