I thought that had been confirmed?
He won't last 2 laps with those guys if he starts nudging people about
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Where's JRS and his comprehensive commentary on the Cup races?
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Where's JRS and his comprehensive commentary on the Cup races?
It is aerodynamic. As for why it's present when the cars are in road course configuration - most road courses are clockwise (Sears Point and the Glen certainly are), so it still provides a benefit
El_Watcher said:And everyone thought Piquet Jr would never get a race seat again after crashgate and he wins at Road America
He drove really well. I've been impressed with him in the Truck series so far, just got to see him and Montoya both win on ovals now!
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Ain't that the truth? Like I've said before, one of the essential truths of NASCAR fandom - Danica sucks, any crash is her fault even when it isn't, yadda yadda yadda. Try and tell most NASCAR fans that she's a good driver, and you'll end up with a metric ****-tonne of poorly spelled abuse and misogyny
sr4470 said:Where's JRS and his comprehensive commentary on the Cup races?
I'm still around. Like I said back at the end of May - my patience with this place is at an all-time low, so I'm not posting quite as much. I also missed watching the Sears Point race, as my internet connection wasn't good enough to stream it.
This bit of news took me by surprise - Matt Kenseth to part ways with Roush Fenway Racing at the end of the year. I know it's been brewing for a while, but I'm still a bit surprised. Hopefully it does mean that Trevor Bayne will get a full-time Nationwide run next year now.
Regarding Danica, put it this way. She has won 1 total race in her career (a fuel strategy Indycar race), that is including her rise through all the other categories (British Formula Ford, formula VX, Toyota Atlantic). Would a male with no wins even get considered for a drive anywhere? Pretty much every driver in any of the top motorsports (F1, Indy, Nascar, etc..) all were super successful in all of the lower categories, picking up championships and race wins galore. I'm not saying she's a bad driver, but she is the exact opposite of something special, and the only reason she gets a drive anywhere is because she's good looking.
I'm not misogynistic or sexist, if a woman can prove herself to be a good driver, then she absolutely deserves the drive as much as the next guy. Getting it because she is a woman though is ridiculous.
I'm not misogynistic or sexist, if a woman can prove herself to be a good driver, then she absolutely deserves the drive as much as the next guy. Getting it because she is a woman though is ridiculous.
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Ain't that the truth? Like I've said before, one of the essential truths of NASCAR fandom - Danica sucks, any crash is her fault even when it isn't, yadda yadda yadda. Try and tell most NASCAR fans that she's a good driver, and you'll end up with a metric ****-tonne of poorly spelled abuse and misogyny
Same happened with her Indycar win\podiums, or whenever Sato t-boned her. Sure, she wasn't the outright fastest but more of an Oriol Servia type - stays out of trouble, generally finishes in the top 5-10 or thereabouts on average, and ends the championship in a sightly higher position due to consistency. Surprise championship ranking in the top 5 beating her highly-rated teammate (Servia's was two years later but you get my point).
You can come into the Nascar and Indy threads, nobody flames them
Be interesting to see where he goes if he wins the title this year.
By that token you should be telling us Katherine Legge should stop buying a seat with her Truecar sponsorship, because she's driving worse than Milka Duno. Or the women in DTM that do nothing but trail the pack most races.
Works both ways though... The only reason she gets so much attention and flack compared to all the other male 'average' drivers is because she is a woman.
I expect there are plenty of drivers filling the IndyCar and Nascar field that have never done anything special in that or any lower formula, yet the internet isn't filled with abuse about how they shouldn't be in the sport.
Her sex gets her attention, its as simple as that. For every piece of negative attention there is also positive. For example, I'm only a casual viewer of American racing. I can probably only name a couple of Nationwide drivers from the whole field, yet I know one of them is Danica, and that her car is green, and sponsored by GoDaddy.com...
Lower formula results aren't a guaranteed indicator of success\failure at higher levels anyway. See: Nigel Mansell, Damon Hill, Takuma Sato, Martin Brundle as just a few examples from F1.
Speaking of women in Indycar, Simona de Silvestro was about to win the Atlantics championship before being punted off. Remind me what she's done in Indycar again? Likewise, Ana Beatriz was successful in lower formulae in Brazil but not so hot in Indycar (her run in this year's 500 was spoiled by a spin under pressure on a restart late in the race, and she received two drive-through penalties in her home race).
I don't disagree with that. Legge is so slow she's a danger, and Susie Stoddart isn't exactly very quick. Not because they're women, and they are far better racing drivers than me, but they are just there to add a bit of glamour, keeping someone (man or woman) with a good bit of speed out of a seat. Simona De Silvestro is one though who absolutely deserves her seat for raw speed alone.
I also don't agree with Men buying their way into motorsport, but that's the way it is at the moment, everyone is skint so a driver bringing so many million of sponsorship money is always going to be handy.
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Too bad she made the odd decision to sign with HVM for 3 seasons, who got even worse this year by buying into the Lotus\Judd engine program. If D&R were prepared to run Ana then surely Simona could have worked out a deal with them?
Let's not forget F1 has dubious participants like Narain Karthikeyan, Charles Pic and (in terms of being a complete *****) Pastor Maldonado. I suppose that's why it took PM four seasons to win the GP2 title, because he can't keep it on the black stuff and stop hitting things.
Speaking of GP2, it seems to be full of crash-happy rich kids who get enough race seasons under their belt to become somewhat competitive. I guess that's why the better teams recruit from F3 or WSR instead.
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I'm with you. I have a real issue with rich kids or those with massive (doubious) backing getting race seats while those with raw talent but no sponsors are left out in the cold.
In particular the young British drivers. Its simply impossible for them to keep up with other guys from countries where their government are so desperate to get their name on a globa stage that they will buy a whole GP2 team just to give one of their drivers a seat (case in point, Venezuela GP Lazarus).
In particular the young British drivers. Its simply impossible for them to keep up with other guys from countries where their government are so desperate to get their name on a globa stage that they will buy a whole GP2 team just to give one of their drivers a seat (case in point, Venezuela GP Lazarus).
Yeah, Alex Lloyd had to give up on British F3 because of funding issues after racing competitively with Lewis Hamilton in FRenault. Completely dominated the 2007 Indy Lights season, rookie of the year honours in Indycar the next year, then dropped from a full time ride after just two seasons.
Apparently the ink is already on a contract somewhere for 2013.
Just shows a) how wobbly the US economy is or b) how NASCAR isn't the almighty sponsor draw it once was when one of the best drivers in one of the best teams can't get a full-time sponsor (Matt's #17 hasn't had one since Crown Royal pulled out at the back end of last year).
Don't know that much about the team, but if Ganassi can get sponsors for his Indycar team (you know, the league considered dying and irrelevant by most Americans) then I don't see why Roush can't (aside from Kenseth's relatively low profile).
I sometimes forget that not many people on here are as 'up' on NASCAR's history as I am
Roush Racing started out in NASCAR in '88 with Mark Martin in the #6 car. They got several top-10 finishes that year. In '89, they won six poles, finished in the top-10 eighteen times and won a race. Then in 1990, they were narrowly beaten (but for a penalty earlier in the season) by Dale Earnhardt for the title. They came close to winning the title several more times in the '90s before Matt Kenseth won it in 2003. As of the Daytona 500 this year, they have 300 victories to their name in NASCAR's three major series.
Hmm, so Roush haven't won the title since I started following Nascar then
They could always give one of their existing sponsors more coverage. They've got some big names aboard: Cargill, Kelloggs, Coca Cola, Subway, Valvoline, UPS...and still room for B2B as well.
They could always give one of their existing sponsors more coverage. They've got some big names aboard: Cargill, Kelloggs, Coca Cola, Subway, Valvoline, UPS...and still room for B2B as well.
Right, you know the song 'n' dance that's been made about how we had seven different winners in the first seven races in F1 this year, with Alonso the first repeat winner 8 races in? Thursday night, there was a Truck race at Kentucky. James Buescher won. He's the first repeat winner of 2012 in the Camping World Truck Series.
In the 8th race of the season.
Longest the Truck series had gone without a repeat winner beforehand IIRC was back in '04 - Dennis Setzer won round 5 then round 7.
Other bits about the race:
1) Back to Earth with a literal bump for NPJr - got taken out in a three truck wreck. Todd Bodine dived inside Justin Lofton at Turn 1 on lap 69, Bodine's truck got loose and he wobbled up into Lofton, Lofton ran up into Piquet and put him into the wall. Rough deal, but that's what happens sometimes when you're racing in close quarters.
2) The truck Buescher won in? Exact same chassis that he won with at Kansas in April.
3) After Lofton's troubles, Tim Peters now leads the championship. Looks like he's building on the strong run he had last year. That's five top-5 finishes now in the 8 races this season.
In the 8th race of the season.
Longest the Truck series had gone without a repeat winner beforehand IIRC was back in '04 - Dennis Setzer won round 5 then round 7.
Other bits about the race:
1) Back to Earth with a literal bump for NPJr - got taken out in a three truck wreck. Todd Bodine dived inside Justin Lofton at Turn 1 on lap 69, Bodine's truck got loose and he wobbled up into Lofton, Lofton ran up into Piquet and put him into the wall. Rough deal, but that's what happens sometimes when you're racing in close quarters.
2) The truck Buescher won in? Exact same chassis that he won with at Kansas in April.
3) After Lofton's troubles, Tim Peters now leads the championship. Looks like he's building on the strong run he had last year. That's five top-5 finishes now in the 8 races this season.