Yep. The MGUH is a motor attached to the spindle of the turbo that generates electricity from the freely spinning turbo (off throttle) to charge the battery. It can then work the other way and be an electric motor to spin the turbo using electricity when the exhaust gasses aren't doing it enough (think anti lag). The electrical energy in and out of the MGUH per lap is unrestricted, whereas they MGUK connected to the crank shaft is limited to 4Mj per lap.
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Yep. The MGUH is a motor attached to the spindle of the turbo that generates electricity from the freely spinning turbo (off throttle) to charge the battery. It can then work the other way and be an electric motor to spin the turbo using electricity when the exhaust gasses aren't doing it enough (think anti lag). The electrical energy in and out of the MGUH per lap is unrestricted, whereas they MGUK connected to the crank shaft is limited to 4Mj per lap.
This years rule changes are a disaster. This is supposed to be Formula 1, the pinnacle of high performance motor sport. Instead we have reduced power and fuel and such an obsession with fuel efficiency that "heavyweight" Jensen Button at a lardy 70KG said recently that his diet does not consist of carbs anymore and he has to take a sauna before practice to keep his weight down.
If all that didn't matter, just listen to this.
If all that didn't matter, just listen to this.
Minimum weight is going by up by 10kg next year which should help. Also tyre warmers are being banned.... 
Link: http://www.espn.co.uk/fia/motorsport/story/142581.html
Link: http://www.espn.co.uk/fia/motorsport/story/142581.html
Minimum weight is going by up by 10kg next year which should help. Also tyre warmers are being banned....
Link: http://www.espn.co.uk/fia/motorsport/story/142581.html
The weight increase is essential now, not next year.
Banning tyre warmers on cost grounds is dangerous and ridiculous considering the costs involved in flying F1 teams around the world. Another idiotic rule that is making F1 a laughing stock.
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Whats wrong with banning tyre warmers? Surely the 22 best drivers in the world can cope with a car that has cold tyres.
It's not a question of coping. It's a question of winning and banning tyre warmers makes cars more dangerous until there is enough heat in the tyres. I believe the number of 1st lap accidents will increase dramatically.
In any case it's supposed to be a cost saving measure, which as I said is ridiculous considering the costs involved in flying whole F1 teams around the world. If it was really about costs F1 would be a Europe only series. It's just another attempt to neuter F1 and make it more "green".
That's how things are currently but the drivers are still under pressure to keep their own weight as low as possible to allow the team more 'free' weight to play around with in the form of ballast that can be positioned wherever is needed to lower cg and better balance
Disagree.
Agreed, Formula 1 is.
So are they supposed to have as much power as an engine supplier can make? Even with the downforce they had last year having a 1500bhp+ car would be nothing but dangerous. So rules limit power, how much though? Yes the bhp is down this year compared to last year but it is the first year, I have no doubt they will get more powerful with the updates 'for reliability' and with so much extra torque it makes up for the small drop in bhp.
We are moving towards a greener future there is no doubt about that, are you saying that the 'pinnacle of high performance motorsport' shouldn't reflect the world we live in? By that logic, in 50 years or a 100, 200 ... F1 could be entirely electric and use 100% renewable energy but it is the pinnacle of motorsport so they shouldn't use electric they should use (by that time) antiquated petrol engines?
Agree it is ridiculous however it applies in the top line of most sports, look at some of things professional jockeys do or things boxers do to 'make weight'.
Sound is personal preference so I can't comment on this.
I wasn't at Melbourne so don't know what the new engines sound like in person but from the TV I don't think they sound bad, just different. As I said in another thread "I can't understand this volume arguement. Each to their own of if they like the sound but whether it is a 'good' or 'bad' sound is nothing to do with volume. It's like saying 'I really like this song but it would be even better if it was louder', running that anology further it is the lyrics, the notes, harmonies, chords etc. which make the song good, making it louder doesn't make any of them better.
I can think of many pro's for the quieter car's: Can hold interviews in the pits, can hear other car sounds, can hear the crowd, car radio's are clearer, crowd don't have to have ear protection. I really can't think of any genuinue cons though.
You are entitled to your opinion Greboth but I've been following F1 closely for 40 years and it used to be far more exciting than this. Granted the safety improvements are very welcome indeed, but F1 used to excite people and now it has become a shadow of its former self in my opinion.
I don't get the volume argument. Twenty cars with 19000rpm V10s blasting off the grid was an experience to behold ... as was the hearing loss for a couple of days afterwards.
The N/A engines were so loud you realistically needed earplugs for watch them for an entire race distance. The turbo V6s are quieter but still make a very nice noise and don't require hearing protection. I'm rather enjoying hearing the other sounds that were getting obliterated by the engines previously.
The N/A engines were so loud you realistically needed earplugs for watch them for an entire race distance. The turbo V6s are quieter but still make a very nice noise and don't require hearing protection. I'm rather enjoying hearing the other sounds that were getting obliterated by the engines previously.
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I never cared for the v8 or even the v10 era (to some extent).
The new sound is vastly different, but I happen to like the whistles, crackles and pops from the new turbo engines. Do I miss the scream of the v12? Yes, but I think we've moved on.
The weight limit is a bit of a farce though!
The new sound is vastly different, but I happen to like the whistles, crackles and pops from the new turbo engines. Do I miss the scream of the v12? Yes, but I think we've moved on.
The weight limit is a bit of a farce though!
Not really, it's just teams pushing as much as they can. the PU is heavier and sits higher. So they want as much ballast as possible lower down.
Now if the teams turned round and said they were running zero ballast, and struggling to come in underweight, then they would have a point.
Next years increase will help marginally, but the same will always happen. They want the weight low down, not high up were the drivers COG is. As said it's the same in any sport which relies on weight.
I don't see any easy way of solving the issue either, teams will always put pressure on the driver to be as light as possible, to increase car performance.
I realise my previous post may have come across aggressive or argumentative which it wasn't meant to be. I was simply trying to understand your reasoning behind your point of view.
40 years though Spie, showing your age
I haven't even been alive that long! I have watched F1 for about 20 years though and even over that time I agree with your sentiment that it isn't what it once was.In these sort of discussions I think one always has to separate head and heart. I know in my head that for safety and the modern energy conscious world we live that the new regs ensure the future of F1 and that F1 today is the pinnacle still. In my heart though that pumps the petrol through my veins of course I would love to see a completely unrestricted F1. It would be amazing to see what the designers and engineers could come up with and how mind bogglingly fast they would be.
Yeah, it's mad. I was so shocked when i watched the grand prix, you couldn't hear the cars at all on the start grid. Safe to say, most of the sexuality of grand prix racing has been dissolved. They should still change gear i think..
I suppose a benefit is the end consumer getting all this wicked tech in their cars eventually...
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As I said earlier in the thread, the 80s turbo monsters were quiet too, but nobody complained about them.
I'd love it if every car sounded like the BRM V16 or H16, but at some point you've got to move on.
I maintain the V8s were loud, but they were **** to anyone who's watched F1 for more than 20 years. Utterly ****. They were just noise and nothing more.
I'd love it if every car sounded like the BRM V16 or H16, but at some point you've got to move on.
I maintain the V8s were loud, but they were **** to anyone who's watched F1 for more than 20 years. Utterly ****. They were just noise and nothing more.
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The 80's turbo monsters were not that quiet. Yes, they sounded different, but they had unbelievable power too which compensated.
In terms of sound progression I think we can all agree that the V12s sounded best, followed closely by the V10s. The V8s still sounded awesome but today's V6s are a quantum leap backwards in aural pleasure.
Without anything like the power of the 80s turbos it's easy to understand why many feel F1 has been neutered. Even Chris Evan's referred to it as Formula Gone the other day.
In terms of sound progression I think we can all agree that the V12s sounded best, followed closely by the V10s. The V8s still sounded awesome but today's V6s are a quantum leap backwards in aural pleasure.
Without anything like the power of the 80s turbos it's easy to understand why many feel F1 has been neutered. Even Chris Evan's referred to it as Formula Gone the other day.