Poll: 2014 F1 engines

[andicole0]

This may lead to a poll (please).

What does everyone think of the new engine sounds?

I'm pretty certain they've already changed during the recent testing sessions but I'm quite liking them. I love the hiss and I love the sound of the lower revs. I think they sound much more like engines and less like hair dryers.

My favourite sound though has to be the Ferrari run down after the engine is shut off.

Andi.

 

[Skeeter]

I will vote once I have heard them in real life.

You simply can't tell through TV and videos.

 

[Glaucus]

I like them, I also like the idea of actually being able to talk trackside, assuming you still can when they're at 100% chat and all cars out on track.

 

[FrankJH]

I heard the V10's a few years ago and yes it was thunderous around Albert Park but it was also heavenly lol

Admittedly its through tv / pc speakers but these new engines have too much of an electrical whine for my taste

 

[dannyjo22]

Anyone that heard the V12 and V10 in real life can't be happy with that sound, if you want to go to F1 and have a chat watch it down the pub. Homos

I have worked around aircraft for 24 years, I'm used to having conversations with ear plugs in Besides there's never been an issue talking. You have 1m 20+ until they come round again

 

[this_is_gav]

Anyone that heard the V12 and V10 in real life can't be happy with that sound

You could say the same for the V8s though. Compared to the 12s and 10s, they were very poor. Still loud, but that was it. No redeeming effects or character.

From what I've heard, I like the new sounds. They aren't loud enough, but there's so much more going on. The 80s turbos weren't loud either, but I don't hear many complaints of those units now.

Added to that you've got the potential for wheelspin in 4th gear plus and much more of a challenge for the drivers.

And added plus for many is that it means Red Bull are starting on the back foot, which they arguably wouldn't have been if we'd stuck with the old V8s.

 

[DoneADougalOnSofa]

Can't wait for the season to start. It will be interesting to see how many cars don't finish the race. I reckon double figures...
Seem to be some big problems reliability-wise. Teams are running out of testing time now- should make things interesting!

 

[Gambisk]

I quite like the pops, bangs and hissing in the braking phase. For me the Ferrari sounds the best of the bunch at the moment. I will be interested to hear what 20 of them sound like flat out at the start of the Aussie GP, so far only heard them in 1's and 2's testing

 

[TaKeN]

Rumour in the paddock is the Ferrari looking like this under the engine cover..

Fernando apparently mentioning in an Interview that he had to look at Fuel saving under the race starts and pit stops

 

[Alpherah]

Its the same for all engines. Ted mentioned that Renault (well, if they fix all the other issues ) expect 40% of the race to be run under some form of fuel saving.

 

[FrankJH]

40%!!! Surely this cant be the case??

hmmm actually come to think of it ~30s of every 1.30 lap is going to be under ERS (a lot of which will be using electrical energy rather than fuel) ....so I suppose it could be argued that there is 33% already

(I used those figures for maths simplicity rather than anything exact)


edit - Im presuming the turbo part of the new ERS system still uses a little fuel , even though KERS does not

 

[Duke]

I gather fuel saving is automatic in some ways, i.e. it will just reduce boost etc.

And on the topic, I've heard the V8s and V10s many times in person and love it but the V6 sounds so far okay on TV. It obviously isnt going to be throaty but that doesn't make it 'bad' imo.

 

[Skeeter]

40%!!! Surely this cant be the case??

hmmm actually come to think of it ~30s of every 1.30 lap is going to be under ERS (a lot of which will be using electrical energy rather than fuel) ....so I suppose it could be argued that there is 33% already

(I used those figures for maths simplicity rather than anything exact)


edit - Im presuming the turbo part of the new ERS system still uses a little fuel , even though KERS does not

I don't quite follow your maths? The ERS adds an extra 160bhp for around 30 seconds a lap, on top of the V6 petrol engine running constantly. The car is never fully under ERS power, and the MGUH doesn't directly power the car at all.

And last year we heard radio calls to save fuel from as early as lap 2. Only fuel saving for 40% of the race would be an improvement .

 

[TaKeN]

Its the same for all engines. Ted mentioned that Renault (well, if they fix all the other issues ) expect 40% of the race to be run under some form of fuel saving.

I can't see it being 40%, it's going to vary massively over each Circuit. Only time will tell!

 

[FrankJH]

I don't quite follow your maths? The ERS adds an extra 160bhp for around 30 seconds a lap, on top of the V6 petrol engine running constantly. The car is never fully under ERS power, and the MGUH doesn't directly power the car at all.

And last year we heard radio calls to save fuel from as early as lap 2. Only fuel saving for 40% of the race would be an improvement .

Apologies, I had brain melt

MGUH (re)charges the batteries somehow via the Turbo doesnt it ?

and that was with no fuel flow rate limitation - expect to hear the same calls coming out of the first corner this season

 

[robbiemc]

Some of the technical interviews Ted was conducting mentioned that not all circuits will be 'tight' on fuel. As fuel saving in the past was obviously used to reduce weight and therefore time, what's to stop the teams doing the same on the circuits that aren't so demanding on fuel this year?

I presume they're not required to carry the full 100kilos if the teams feel they don't need to?

 

[FrankJH]

Some of the technical interviews Ted was conducting mentioned that not all circuits will be 'tight' on fuel. As fuel saving in the past was obviously used to reduce weight and therefore time, what's to stop the teams doing the same on the circuits that aren't so demanding on fuel this year?

I presume they're not required to carry the full 100kilos if the teams feel they don't need to?

Yes, in general reducing weight will allow the car to go faster, but because its fuel thats being reduced the engine is producing less power so as to save that weight in fuel so its not likely to save time.

Remember the fuel allowance has dropped by about a 1/3 though from 160 to 100 (kilos? / litres? brain fade moment I cant recall) as well as the flow rate to the engine so its going to be very difficult to know exactly how much the less demanding circuits are going to be until we get there (or at least until a few live GP's have taken place and a guestimation can be made)

 

[robbiemc]

So last year they said that each kilo of fuel equalled a tenth around the track? (Apologies if that's incorrect, it's something like that). Surely that isn't changing?
But yes I think I'm getting ahead of myself and we really won't know until we've had a few races

(Fuel is measured in Kilos )

 

[this_is_gav]

The other issue with saving fuel (through starvation) is that it generally increases heat produced by the engine. So some teams are either going to have to work out whether to run out of fuel before the end of the race or retire in a ball of flame.

 

[Glaucus]

I'm not sure we will see indefilling like we did, theres far less gain. although as far as I can see the rules allow it.

But
1) you have less fuel, so any fuel saving is less weight saving anyway
2) the cars are heavier now, reducing the weight difference even more.

Combine those two and I don't it'll save you time like the last few seasons.