2014 FIFA World Cup Qualifying 7/8/11 September *** Spoilers ***
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Wouldn't worry, after seeing them live on sunday I don't rate either of them in the slightest.
Cleverly is terrible at passing and Welbeck doesn't do enough.
Also Roy out! Should have been 8, if Bosnia can get 8 against an equally rubbish team we should be able too, no need to make qualification difficult.
Cleverly is terrible at passing and Welbeck doesn't do enough.
Also Roy out! Should have been 8, if Bosnia can get 8 against an equally rubbish team we should be able too, no need to make qualification difficult.
Roy likes him, Fergie likes him. Apparently that makes him a good footballer, even if no one else in the known universe can see what he gives to England other than mediocrity.
whoooooooo?
i've just seen englands 4th and frankly, walcott, welbeck and cleverly reminded me of the 3 stooges in the build up.
Because of course you are a better judge of what makes good young footballing talent than a guy who has been manager of one the biggest clubs in the world for 26 years or so
While you are at it, you might as well pick Pearce picking him for the Olympics squad too.
It was his first competitive cap for christ's sake, give him a break.
Goal difference will be key, and I can see a few other group teams potentially scoring more (given how many chances England didnt put away) and will San Marino also being in the group (another potential "whipping boy" team), imo that makes GD even more crucial for the other three teams (incl England) in the group. Poland and Ukraine could be difficult games for England especially if Hodgson doesnt get the team hyped up enough.
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Cleverley hasn't looked great for a few games, and maybe hasn't lived up to how good he looked early last season, but also had injuries that kept him out for most of last season. He certainly looked very promising early last season but I haven't seen him look that good yet.
Walcott, great game to highlight how someone can be crap and still successful.
Even in games he could score three for Arsenal, it would still be a performance full of the kind of errors he made in this game. Running towards them and he managed to kick it twice as far as it should go and loses it, then flukes possession back.
I forget which game it was last year, England or Arsenal, he scored a goal but on the replay you actually see his second touch was crap, he kicked the ball into his other leg and it absolutely 1 in a million bounced back infront of him so he could shoot and score. The amount of times he stumbles into the ball, gets it caught in his feet and has no idea where the ball went is god damned hilarious, but as with anything. You can miskick something, stand on a ball and it can end up ANYWHERE, including where you need it to be in the first place. When he scores or gets assists its usually inspite of the mistakes he makes, not because he's brilliant.
He looks like a complete idiot yesterday yet still set up a goal and had a couple of attacks that were dangerous, and in the build up he lost the ball, had almost no control over his feet and had zero quality.
Wasn't a bad performance but.... it was Moldova, they were shockingly poor, I don't care how we perform, I want to see people overall change for the good in the team in the next two years. I don't give a monkeys if we put out a test team and lose, as long as anyone who was good gets another chance and anyone who is shockingly awful gets shown the door. So from this game I want to see Walcott's call ups simply stop, 9/10 games he'll play like he did today. If we see Walcott being called up repeatedly despite awful performances... well that will be like any previous England manager.
Results don't matter, performances do, if you get a team performing well and drop those who offer nothing to the team, results follow. When you focus on results and ignore poor performances... eventually the results will get worse.
Walcott, great game to highlight how someone can be crap and still successful.
Even in games he could score three for Arsenal, it would still be a performance full of the kind of errors he made in this game. Running towards them and he managed to kick it twice as far as it should go and loses it, then flukes possession back.
I forget which game it was last year, England or Arsenal, he scored a goal but on the replay you actually see his second touch was crap, he kicked the ball into his other leg and it absolutely 1 in a million bounced back infront of him so he could shoot and score. The amount of times he stumbles into the ball, gets it caught in his feet and has no idea where the ball went is god damned hilarious, but as with anything. You can miskick something, stand on a ball and it can end up ANYWHERE, including where you need it to be in the first place. When he scores or gets assists its usually inspite of the mistakes he makes, not because he's brilliant.
He looks like a complete idiot yesterday yet still set up a goal and had a couple of attacks that were dangerous, and in the build up he lost the ball, had almost no control over his feet and had zero quality.
Wasn't a bad performance but.... it was Moldova, they were shockingly poor, I don't care how we perform, I want to see people overall change for the good in the team in the next two years. I don't give a monkeys if we put out a test team and lose, as long as anyone who was good gets another chance and anyone who is shockingly awful gets shown the door. So from this game I want to see Walcott's call ups simply stop, 9/10 games he'll play like he did today. If we see Walcott being called up repeatedly despite awful performances... well that will be like any previous England manager.
Results don't matter, performances do, if you get a team performing well and drop those who offer nothing to the team, results follow. When you focus on results and ignore poor performances... eventually the results will get worse.
Wrong thread. GD is this way ------->
Because of course you are a better judge of what makes good young footballing talent than a guy who has been manager of one the biggest clubs in the world for 26 years or so
As a friday night post this may have been very much in jest
May have to bring along the sarcasm sign, or at very least the "I'm not 100% serious" sign. I am on the other hand going to stick to my guns and suggest that what I have seen of him over the last week has been pretty disappointing, he doesn't really bring all that much to a team, his passing is poor, his work rate is ok bit s quite often chasing the game and his tackling is lack luster...
A. that's why we don't want him back and I laugh at every time I think about selling him and B. also why I get a little angry when he is brought on for AOC
Found it somewhat ironic that we get a massive stroke of luck on the Baines freekick when 4-0 up against Moldova, I bet that wouldn't happen in a real game 
As for the result/performance I'm not going to read much into it, same every game for the past 10 years you'll get people moaning and other saying you can only beat what is put in front of you, I'll draw my conclusions next month after we've played the next 3 matches.
As for Gerrard/Lampard taking this match out of the equation I've never been convinced that they can't play together, it hasn't happened all that often in recent years and often in the past when/if it hasn't worked the team/formation was hampered in some other fashion i.e. we've had someone out of position on the left for example. I still reckon if we put Parker/Carrick in a holding role with Lampard and Gerrard in front of him it would work out fine, although that would lead us down the 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 route.
As for the result/performance I'm not going to read much into it, same every game for the past 10 years you'll get people moaning and other saying you can only beat what is put in front of you, I'll draw my conclusions next month after we've played the next 3 matches.
As for Gerrard/Lampard taking this match out of the equation I've never been convinced that they can't play together, it hasn't happened all that often in recent years and often in the past when/if it hasn't worked the team/formation was hampered in some other fashion i.e. we've had someone out of position on the left for example. I still reckon if we put Parker/Carrick in a holding role with Lampard and Gerrard in front of him it would work out fine, although that would lead us down the 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 route.
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