2014 FIFA World Cup Qualifying and International Friendlies 21/22/23/25/26 March *** Spoilers ***

Roy Hodgson should take a fair amount of the blame for that defeat. It was clear half the players weren't interested/fit. Johnson looked almost fat and Ashley Cole seems to have lost any footballing ability.

England were just so laboured going forward. No pace or precision. I remember one instance where Johnson could have surged forward but instead stood around and invited the foul, for which he was then praised for good play. Why didn't he bomb forward in to the copious amounts of space there was?
 
Kate on 5Live... "we need to remember the passion of 1966, the passion that was behind everything. We need that passion."

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Raining again in Podgorica. England are on the way to the airport. Their final memory: a fan with a loud halo chanting '**** you England'

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Hodgson speaking to Ian Dennis on 5Live.


"little bit disappointed we couldn't maintain the level of our passing play in the second half..."

"we were more concerned with not conceding a goal rather than going for another one..."

"they had a very good period... when you're in that type of situation you can always see a goal coming..."

"had we had that little more fortune we could have won the game"

"I don't think we've got anything to concern ourselves with too much at the moment"

I hope he wasn't content with that performance because if he is then we have big problems ahead in the world cup. If we play like that again (and being England that is extremely likely), all we need is someone half decent like Germany or Spain to come along and promptly give us the wake up call we deserve like in the 2010 world cup, to see we still are not anywhere their level or for that matter any better than the England team back then.

No point us going by international friendly performances either (like beating an average Brazil side that will be very different come 2014) when we can't perform in tournaments.

Sadly there aren't many players who can fill the roles better than the ones already in the team, all we can for is the best selection on the night. The only player who I feel gives England some creativity they lack against the better sides is Wilshire. With Wilshire being so injury prone it makes you wonder how much we can rely on him.

Same old, same old.
 
I almost exclusively blame tonight's result on hodgson. His team selection was poor, surely pick the same team that played San Marino? Then he failed to make subs when they were clearly necessary. I was watching the match with a group of friends and every single one of us said on about 50 minutes that it was obvious we were going to need to make some subs. The pundits could all see it, so I've no idea why Roy couldn't.

In my mind, there's nothing worse than failing to act. Even if hodgson had been decisive and made a few subs and they didn't work, at least we could say he tried to change things. As it is, he just did nothing!
 
Van Persie with 2 goals and an assist for the Netherlands tonight (for any concerned Man Utd fans :p), top class header:

 
My general problem was he was ignoring a generally poor performance from all the England candidates in the Liverpool team and called them up and ignored all good performances from the English Saints players.

Depressing state of affairs from Roy, thought he might open his owley eyes.

Sorry, that's a stupid way to think based of one game
 
lol Suarez scores a good goal and it's genius, RVP scores a good goal and it's lucky

It would have been incredibly easy at that pace for RVP to get the wrong kind of contact on it and not even direct it at goal the fact he managed to get the right contact and loop it over the keeper aint lucky it's world class finishing. More of the same against the rent boys please RVP

I almost exclusively blame tonight's result on hodgson. His team selection was poor, surely pick the same team that played San Marino?

I'm not an England fan by any means but Hodgson clearly played an under strength team against San Marino, playing the likes of Walker, Defoe and Young tonight would have been the wrong decision. The only thing Hodgson failed to do imo was make the correct substitutions second half when England couldn't get on the ball and was being passed around without anyone doing any form of pressing. Looking at the subs available Parker probably should have been brought on for Cleverley at around the hour mark to do his headless chicken routine and help get England back on the ball.
 
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I still won't understand what is so special about international football that makes people care. Qualification spread so far apart, with teams that rarely train together, its just not good football, neither should you expect it to be nor be disappointed when its not.

Its a marketing exercise at this point, people blame all the managers, yet Sven, the Clown, Capello and Hodgson keep picking the same teams, the same failing players, and people feign surprise. The players are picked based on the clubs they represent by and large, with a few players on rotation and a few on who the public randomly choose to believe are great that year.

Johnson and Walker are inept, try Baines or Cole at right back, contrary to popular belief, its a position with the same duties, we've seen countless fullbacks "fill in" and do a great job on the opposite side to normal at club level, but its deemed impossible at international level, despite moving other positions around whenever they want. Baines/Cole are so far ahead of Johnson/Walker defensively its embarrassing.

Carrick utterly utterly worthless player, meh going forwards, utterly inept defensively, no pace, no presense, nothing to his game. Cleverley in that midfield, is pointless, and Gerrard does much of nothing in most of his games for the past 2-3 years and has always been "meh" for England. Young got into the England team on club form ages ago, and has been Englands most consistent scorer/assister outside of missing games injured, since he started playing for England, him starting should be a given. Milner has been utterly woeful since he's been starting for England, he was woeful before then, he'll always be woeful, he's 100% the opposite of a player that could win a title, a team full of Milners would never get anywhere. Barry, same deal, useless clogger, no skill, no talent, just runs a lot, thats it.

Defoe SHOULD have started, ignore the goals, and his supposed selfishness(something everyone decided Sturridge was, then he joined Liverpool and was proclaimed the solution and brilliant for a month, and now is called a bit crap again.... English football fans fickle.... never), Defoe's movement is fantastic, he'll spend every second of a game pulling CB's out of position and working the defence, even when he's not scoring he's making space for others ALL the time.

Welbeck is utter, utter crap, just crap, completely crap, how he's a professional footballer I do not know.

The team is picked on how valuable tickets/adverts and marketing crap for the England team will be, that means a few Utd players, no matter if they deserve it, a few Liverpool players, a few Chelsea players a few City players a few Arsenal players, a few Spurs players, and then 3-4 guys they rotate but don't rely on to make it seem like the FA aren't pretending the bottom 14 teams don't exist.

Scotland... same thing, Caldwell gets picked because he's the most high profile scottish CB in the premier league, thats it, he's god damned horrendous. Collins has been terrible for 3 seasons yet still gets games and was dreadful for Wales yesterday.

This is international football, the stupid/funny thing is, as per usual these are by and large the teams 99% of fans would pick, then complain about when they don't perform.

The average England fan says Milner is good and Johnson is great and both should start, then complains 4 minutes after we drop points because those two are crap. Very few international teams pick the "best" squad that can be made, nor start the best 11 players to form the best team possible, they pick who is popular, then they play who is popular, and 90% of the football is crap, and its exactly what the fans want until they lose, when they beg for something different, and then they complain when their favourite/most popular/players in top 6 teams aren't being picked.

England regularly pick Barry(less these days), Carrick, Walcott, Welbeck, Johnson, Walker, and then wonder why they play cack football. Gerrard is better than he appears, but doesn't work in the England side AT ALL, and never has, he shouldn't be picked based on whats best for the team, not on individual talent.

Hodgson will leave, fans will blame him, we'll get a new manager, everyone will love the changes he makes(despite fielding almost an identical team, but pretending its some magic formation by giving it a new name), they'll thrash Moldova 24-0 and the fans will proclaim this is our time, then we'll lose to someone cack, and people will notice the team hasn't changed at all, but they'll still blame the manager, and still demand their favourite players get picked, and still moan if the manager tries something new like dropping their favourite players.
 
Montenegro should've won, england did a Liverpool vs a small team in second half

Typical Hodgpodge then, I notice none of the papers are that surprised at the result. Amazing that he has managed to downplay expecations that much that a draw against a team ranked 28th in World Football is seen as acceptable.
 
Didnt watch the game and only caught the odd highlight, but was it a famous draw against a top side in Montenegro?

England were the only team playing in the first half and should have gone for a second goal to finish the game. The team were given some form of sleep inducing nutrient at half-time, Hodgson had a very long nap during the second half, he forgot he had substitutes and you know the rest. Montenegro were unlucky not to win that game. Summary: Dire 4/10
 
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