2015 6 Nations

Scotland really got shafted that game. Wales deserved a good couple of yellows in the second half, half time getting called at the scrum barely a meter from the white line then no restart after the conversion at the end?! Very good game, and it made the Welsh mrs happy but I didn't think they deserved the win!
 
Thoughts (from a Welshman) on the game...

Wales should have won, Two try scoring opportunities and they scored two tries. Scotland were not clinical enough with their opportunities.

  • The first half Scotland had multiple penalties in their 22, no yellows.
  • The second half Wales had multiple penalties in their 22, no yellows.
  • Finn yellow was justified. You compete for the ball or wait and then approach.
  • JD yellow was unjustified. He was actively competing and jumped for the ball to knock back.
  • The disallowed welsh try should have stood. Not because of the obstruction, but because the Ref called the decision - If Clancy is going to ref the game then he should be on the pitch, not the sidelines.
  • The restart should have happened, why it did not is bizarre (especially when you look back to Wales vs Scotland 2010).
  • The high tackle was not a high tackle. The Scottish player ducked under Webb with little contact.
  • Also, kicking the ball away, inexcusable

Conclusion... The ref will (should) never ever ever referee another 6nations game. End of. The decisions were poor on both sides.

Well done to the Scotland defence, was solid in places! I suppose well done to Wales for winning, but it wasn't the best performance, and we have no hope in 2 weeks time if we play like that. Still... The real game occurs in 2 weeks - England vs. Ireland (I believe winner takes all from this game).
 
  • The disallowed welsh try should have stood. Not because of the obstruction, but because the Ref called the decision - If Clancy is going to ref the game then he should be on the pitch, not the sidelines.
  • The high tackle was not a high tackle. The Scottish player ducked under Webb with little contact.

Most of your list I'd either agree with or it's close enough that there's a fair argument either way. However for these two - I think the referee should have gone to the TMO before awarding the try (rather than belatedly calling for the TMO after giving the try) but that said is there any reason why he shouldn't be able to call for the TMO to review the incident before the game restarts? Jonathan Davies also seemed rather perplexed by him calling for the TMO as well after awarding the try initially but did concede that there was obstruction after the replays.

Hidalgo-Clyne did duck his head a bit and most of the Welsh players arm did go straight over the top but two things then come to mind 1) it's only the fact that he ducked his head prevented it from being a high tackle and 2) what was the Welsh penalty for? If it was the ball going forwards on being dropped it didn't seem clear either from what I could hear or see, if it was due to the tackle then surely it should have been a yellow and a Scotland penalty rather than the other way round.

My knowledge of the rules of rugby isn't great (as you can probably tell) so feel free to educate me on this but sometimes it just doesn't seem all that clear why a decision has been made.

Conclusion... The ref will (should) never ever ever referee another 6nations game. End of. The decisions were poor on both sides.

Happy to agree here and I hope you're right that he won't be refereeing a 6 Nations game again. That is unless he can prove he's gone away, got training and substantially improved he shouldn't be near international rugby refereeing with that sort of performance.
 
Hidalgo-Clyne did duck his head a bit and most of the Welsh players arm did go straight over the top but two things then come to mind 1) it's only the fact that he ducked his head prevented it from being a high tackle and 2) what was the Welsh penalty for? If it was the ball going forwards on being dropped it didn't seem clear either from what I could hear or see, if it was due to the tackle then surely it should have been a yellow and a Scotland penalty rather than the other way round.

To be honest, I'm unsure... It was very confusing.

With regards to the high tackle. It might be assumed he tackled at a reasonable height, but as the player ducked it was deemed high, with Scotland being awarded the ball. He awarded Scottland the ball, so in the law, if he gave them the penalty during a try scoring opportunity, it should have definitely been a yellow (even though I don't feel it was - but what do I know).

Either way, I wasn't sure what the ref was doing and the game could realistically gone either way... Scotland need to be a hell of a lot more clinical though... not finding touch with a few of their kicks really cost them.
 
Classic Scotland vs Wales match, entertainingly disastrous as always. Scotland unique in being able to lower the standard of a game and Wales unique in having smug commentators and pundits who come across as one eyed morons.
 
Classic Scotland vs Wales match,

Indeed, a hard fought victory for Wales.

entertainingly disastrous as always.

The only thing disastrous was the reffing, which you couldn't call form the match line up.

Scotland unique in being able to lower the standard of a game

How so? Scotland played really well... They we're clinical as always, but they didn't lower the standard of the game :confused:

and Wales unique in having smug commentators and pundits who come across as one eyed morons.

Sorry, what?
 
Scotland played really well...

Strike one

They we're clinical as always

Strike two

but they didn't lower the standard of the game :confused:

Three clueless points in one single line. Amazing.

And ok, to the last point I'll concede that Wales aren't unique in this, Inverdale and Wood can say some stupid things, but Jiffy and Martyn Williams are undeniably a cut above
 
Jackson had an OK game, no worse or better than Lacey and Barnes. A referee raising his arm for a try is not conformation until he is truly happy and issue the verbal conformation, it happens a hell of a lot in all Rugby and you will often see the referee then consult the Touches and if needed the TMO consulted, which is exactly what occurred in the game. It's only that one eyed **** Jiffy who hasn't a clue on the modern rules of the game that started any doubt, here's a hint when that happens..... He's a biased idiot who is still sulking about last weeks capitulation at the Millennium.

I do think it's about time the wrong kind of "Professionalism" being instilled in the Welsh squad by Gatland and co needs to be called to task because it is starting to get beyond a joke and when it finally pees off John Jeffery & Joël Jutge completely will truly come back to haunt them, and it is masking the talents of a very good group of players who are being forced into one dimensional Rugby and on pitch histrionics.


As to the weekends Rugby, Scotland, reverted to their "Rabbits in headlights" type that haunts them when ever they are seen as at least joint favourites or in to close to call matches.

Wales, and important win but yet again a general lack of creativity. On another day a more even distribution of the results of the aerial battle would leave them with a main attacking conduit closed.

Ireland, hard fought without looking glorious, I keep having some niggling doubts about the creativity that comes outside of Sexton since BOD has retired and so far last week and this it has been confirmed to some extent. They are missing a small amount of X-factor (or "point of difference" in current trending coach language).

France, physical but disjointed and to many players in average form, missing an X-factor even more than most. I can see the Battle with Wales being the crunch one for third/fourth.

Italy, better with ball in hand but still lack a place kicker, showed that if a side defends with a certain amount of complacency against them they can take their chances. Should they stay in the Six Nations? too much money has been invested in them and the competition to not have otherwise, we can't go back to five teams and there is no one in Europe or North America who is better, but when some key players retire they look very weak indeed.

England, I never thought I would see England score 47 points and be unhappy about the performance but I am. Yes England will tighten that defence up against Ireland but they shouldn't of let it gat as bad as it got in the first place. Schmidt will have a plan to negate JJ so the pressure will come on Ford, Watson and May to unlock defences. I'd like to see Burrell drop to bench as cover for JJ (an up the middle plan B) and 36 to carry on with the 12 shirt as he did following Browns Injury. If England go behind against Ireland as they have in the first two matches of this competition there will be no way back for them and they will be strangled out of the game. The only saving grace so far is England are blessed with an abundance of riches in the tight five at the moment with two and even there players vying for every position (a South African commentator in their press has even described of the top five tight fives in the world at the moment 3 are English :D, which I know is only a bit of banter but it does demonstrate the strength in depth in the pack). Robshaw continues to lead from the front and no one offers the all round work rate he puts in each game so it's only right that he now has the Captaincy until after the WC, although I was dubious at his appointment under Lancaster he's now my first name on the sheet, Hasks and Big Billy are giving the back row a good balance as well so at the moment it doesn't need to change.
 
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Scotland could and should have won that game, I have absolutely no idea why the referee didn't send off a number of Welsh players in the final 20 or so minutes - kicking the ball away after the whistle had blown, a high tackle on Hidalgo-Clyne (I'm assuming the penalty that went Wales' way after that was for him dropping the ball?), hands in at the ruck etc. And then at the end to not even take the kick-off after the conversion? I know they said at the start that the referee promised not to be biased for Scotland after working with Vern Cotter before but he didn't have to go so far out of his way to prove he helping Scotland.

Well done to Wales on the win and being experienced enough to close it out but it feels rather like the referee somewhat helped them along the way there. On the bright side Scotland made some excellent attacking play and created a number of good try-scoring opportunities, still too high in the penalty count for my liking though.

Gotta agree with most of your points, but if he were to yellow several of the Welsh players (a hard call that late in a match) then he would be seen as being biased towards Scotland as 2-3 of them should've gone off in the first half not to mention the clear red card 'incident'.

The tackle would've been high, if it would've made contact! :rolleyes: Looking at replays there was very little/no contact made so the scottish player was diving and dropped the ball. Tough one to call and it could've been taken either way. Still not convinced ref made the right decision, but unsure if there was a right one to make :p

Wales deserved the win, mostly because of the poor attacking play by Scotland, errors and overall tactics. Wales were not much better in the second half (which is why the game was so close) but there were several points where Scotland looked static, like they had no plan/direction on attack. That coupled with the poor kicks lost them the game, not any amazing play from Wales. Both teams soaked up incredible pressure, but equally neither showed much flair in attack.

It's only that one eyed **** Jiffy who hasn't a clue on the modern rules of the game that started any doubt, here's a hint when that happens..... He's a biased idiot who is still sulking about last weeks capitulation at the Millennium.

He's not that biased, not as bad as Guscott anyway, but I think it's quite wrong that the BBC seem to treat him as 'the oracle' and they take his word as gospel. He's good at pointing out plays/tactics from any side, not many of the others seem to do this - but he's certainly doesn't have an unbiased opinion like they seem to treat him. Don't get me started on Gabby, she's a waste of airtime, has no idea about the sport and not even eye candy ;) :p

I do think it's about time the wrong kind of "Professionalism" being instilled in the Welsh squad by Gatland and co needs to be called to task because it is starting to get beyond a joke and when it finally pees off John Jeffery & Joël Jutge completely will truly come back to haunt them, and it is masking the talents of a very good group of players who are being forced into one dimensional Rugby and on pitch histrionics.

Webb should be cited (if you can in this instance) for un-sportsman like conduct. Shocking

'Playing the ref' is quite an old rugby tactic, previously it was part of the game but with TMO and action replays I don't think it belongs quite so much in the professional game. You see again and again players 'trying it on' (hands in scrum, collapsing mauls, not rolling away are prime examples). I don't think Wales are any more to blame at this than any other, just it tends to be more obvious/we all look for it more! ;)

If you're citing Webb for that then the Scottish player should also be cited for moving/touching the scrum half as he's equally to blame...

France, physical but disjointed and to many players in average form, missing an X-factor even more than most. I can see the Battle with Wales being the crunch one for third/fourth.

Agree to a certain extent although I think the France/England game will decide second place as I'm fairly confident in Ireland winning it. Wales may find some form and pressure 3rd place (if they beat France) but I don't see many teams topping Ireland, certainly not England with their injury list. The 'the B team' are playing fantastically at the moment, but I don't think they're in the same class as Ireland so things will be decided before the final game of the series.

Robshaw continues to lead from the front and no one offers the all round work rate he puts in each game so it's only right that he now has the Captaincy until after the WC, although I was dubious at his appointment under Lancaster he's now my first name on the sheet, Hasks and Big Billy are giving the back row a good balance as well so at the moment it doesn't need to change.

Robshaw is an amazing captain, he can control a game much like a 10 can but from the front, amazing vision considering his workrate and play. I don't rate twelvetrees at all, he has good moments but equally has bad ones. Totally overrated IMO. Watson and Joseph are really on form at the moment when Brown doesn't quite seem to be. When he is the England backs will really make or break the Irish game (as they rely on Sexton's kicking so much).

Disclaimer: I'm Welsh and generally follow Wales but equally follow Ireland and England, certainly this 6N ;)

Things do not look good for Wales this RWC, England will do well if they can players come back from injury (except Farrel who loses them games) and I think Ireland will do well as they're looking very 'polished'. But I think they'll all find it hard to beat NZ/Oz/SA.
 
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Italy can be so frustrating at times. Wish they could do better. Still, three tries in the first half means I'm still on course for 53.5 tries in the tournament. 585.5 total points isn't looking too far off either.
 
Now on to the game of the tournament... I think Ireland will just edge it if I am honest.

(Well I hope they do, and then hope Wales edge it against them the round later, although that is a very tall order).
 
Excellent try by Biggar. Decent performance from Wales, away from home.

Looking forward to the match tomorrow, close one to call but I'm going for Ireland by 7 - which I think would make 10 wins on the bounce...
 
If Parra wasn't injured that was the worst substitution I've seen in a long time. It completely robbed France of the very significant momentum they had built up. Saint Andre is beginning to make Livremont look good.
 
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