2016 : A Pivotal Year For AMD, Nvidia, PC Gaming And VR

D.P. said:
I don't see how even more hype from AMD will actually help them. Anyone with half a brain sees right through their PR stunts. It appeals to the AMD fanboys, but they would buy AMD cards regardless.
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I can agree with this. I used to be one myself, in my younger days. I bought a 1950xtx. Admittedly it was ATi. Stupid purchase, but I got swept away in the support the underdog movement. Then came the 8800 series. Never looked back.

Cpu terms I did myself out of the core 2 duo era. Bought one of those 6000 x2 efforts. JUST.WOW. The last AMD product I splurged on was a phenom x II 965. It was good. Tbh a lot of their stuff is. Its just not at the same level as intel and nvidia.

Its a shame really. They need to sort themselves out. Their current plight is no one else's fault but their own. Unless they start developing the mindset of their rivals they're screwed. If they go under it will be a sad day :(

D.P. said:
AMD need to work with more developers to get their name spread across more games, add some AMD features that can be used as product differentiators like PhysX has done for Nvidia.
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Again spot on. They need their own 8800 type product. They also need to support it properly. Can I see it happening....unlikely. Would love to be proved wrong though.

JD fuelled posting. Always funny :D
 
DaveRom said:
I can agree with this. I used to be one myself, in my younger days. I bought a 1950xtx. Admittedly it was ATi. Stupid purchase, but I got swept away in the support the underdog movement. Then came the 8800 series. Never looked back.
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I had an X1900GT and a 7900GS in two separate rigs at the time and the 7900GS ended up being ditched far quicker. the X1900GT was a better card longterm since it was more shader heavy in hardware.
 
Howling said:
I respect that you buy what suits my best. My comment was directed at "I don't want proprietary" and then seeing no issue with buying a product with that in mind.

^ You're directly basing your purchase on access to proprietary tech, meanwhile complaining you don't like it. See my point? I don't understand it D: Like I said, cognitive dissonance. "Proprietary is bad. Which product offers me it?" :D



Agreed. But a) we all know people who buy Apple products are 'tards, and b) is there an alternative that does pay their fair share of corp. tax?
But my point was based on Greg complaining about something while actively supporting it. Not just supporting bad companies :p
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Is that like the tards that buy Amd?
 
I prefer Nvidia because they have better driver support, less problems with sli versus crossfire, and of course the thermals. Nothing against AMD but just in most scenarios Nvidia is the better option in every price bracket.

The other avenue of processors is where AMD are really sucking bad at the moment. The FX line is just a bad choice now, from a gaming perspective you'd be insane to pick an FX over an i5. Parity with the i5 in some scenarios, on par or loosing to haswell i3 in many...and hot and hungry to boot.
 
Terrorfirmer said:
I prefer Nvidia because they have better driver support, less problems with sli versus crossfire, and of course the thermals. Nothing against AMD but just in most scenarios Nvidia is the better option in every price bracket.
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Then you've not looked at the product range for quite a while. nVidia are only the better option in the top bracket at the minute, as they usually are. AMD always have almost always had the low, mid and mid-top options. 980Ti > Fury range, 390 > 980 + 970, 380 > 960. Ti is the only range where AMD lose out. And for reference, drivers are as much of an issue for both brands, more so nVidia recently actually, but it's much of a muchness.
 
Ian Evey said:
It was just a question, I have apple and android, Apple wins simple as. Imo
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Depends on what you want to use Android for!
For me Andorid wins for being Open = Letting me install anything I please even without having the phone Rooted/Unlocked

Without getting this into a Phone war, Lets just leave this here..
Each have there weakness and Plus but for me Androids Plus side is much better than what Apple offer.
 
Howling said:
I respect that you buy what suits my best. My comment was directed at "I don't want proprietary" and then seeing no issue with buying a product with that in mind.

^ You're directly basing your purchase on access to proprietary tech, meanwhile complaining you don't like it. See my point? I don't understand it D: Like I said, cognitive dissonance. "Proprietary is bad. Which product offers me it?" :D

No no no!!! I am basing my purchase decision on what works best for me. Please stop trying to think for me when you are so far off the mark. There is so much in life I don't like but I still use it and I don't care for proprietary. That doesn't mean I will cut my nose off to spite my face and again I tell you "I buy what suits my needs and I don't let politics get in the way of my purchasing decision"

Agreed. But a) we all know people who buy Apple products are (removed this for you), and b) is there an alternative that does pay their fair share of corp. tax?
But my point was based on Greg complaining about something while actively supporting it. Not just supporting bad companies :p
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I removed your comment there as that makes me angry. Completely unneeded and people can buy what they like. My daughter loves her Iphone, whereas I love my S6. Why would you stoop to that level? I did give you some credit for attempting a sensible conversation but that kinda killed it. I would remove that comment before a mod see's it if I was you.
 
Howling said:
And for reference, drivers are as much of an issue for both brands, more so nVidia recently actually, but it's much of a muchness.
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The problem is we keep hearing this from thep AMD defence force, I got loads of stick on here from people like Humbug and Tommy when I admitted defeat and swapped out a 7950 and then 7970m... But more recently even they've fallen to the green side.

I have absolutely no love for nvidia, but when AMD just aren't even an option then what else do you buy.

I cant say I've had any major driver problems in the last two years, the last thing I had with nv that annoyed me was not properly supporting pcie3 on the 3930K. One thing you have to bear in mind is that when NVIDIA have 4 times as many customers in a given year, you are going see more complaints even if the actual problem is the same or less on the green side.
 
And without getting into the driver arguments, take a look at the AMD driver thread and then the Nvidia driver thread. Crimson drivers give nice boosts it seems but come at a cost to a fair number of people.
 
Gregster said:
And without getting into the driver arguments, take a look at the AMD driver thread and then the Nvidia driver thread. Crimson drivers give nice boosts it seems but come at a cost to a fair number of people.
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Yup, I couldn't use the first release of Crimson - crazy choppy Rocket League performance. Had to wait till 16.1 beta driver. A quick look at the nVidia driver thread shows pretty much the same picture as in the AMD thread. People have issues on both sides, people see improvement on both sides - I doubt anyone could honestly tell me one side is any better than the other. Except maybe Lamb, DP or Flopper :p

As for the Apple comment, I was thinking more Mac than iPhone - but yeah.
 
Gregster said:
And without getting into the driver arguments, take a look at the AMD driver thread and then the Nvidia driver thread. Crimson drivers give nice boosts it seems but come at a cost to a fair number of people.
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While true read back the Nvidia thread for a year or more and it's much of the same. The only way is up for Crimson and Nvidia driver wise atm. There is never an excuse but Crimson is new so teething problems are expected.
 
With Nvidia's increasing market share over the years, I'd say the multiple Game Ready Drivers TDR problems caused a far bigger headache for a far higher number of users than Crimson-without getting into the driver argument of course.

Both of them are well short getting anywhere near the BS 'X' are better claims.
 
andybird123 said:
The problem is we keep hearing this from thep AMD defence force, I got loads of stick on here from people like Humbug and Tommy when I admitted defeat and swapped out a 7950 and then 7970m... But more recently even they've fallen to the green side.
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It's not my fault AMD were way better for considerably less outlay.:p

No option but to swap over to Nvidia when AMD/Devs can't optimise GW's on AMD, I just want to game at the end of the day with the least headaches as possible.

AMD were smashing at the time(for me) and we didn't get to where we were by agreeing with the likes of yourself and gregster who hold the polar opposite opinion, it was more upfront back then and we all took 'stick' as good as we got by liking/defending/poking a brand.

Being on Nvidia now it's weird agreeing with you where I never thought I would, but the other guy-he takes hardcore to a whole other level.:D
 
tommybhoy said:
It's not my fault AMD were way better for considerably less outlay.:p

No option but to swap over to Nvidia when AMD/Devs can't optimise GW's on AMD, I just want to game at the end of the day with the least headaches as possible.

AMD were smashing at the time(for me) and we didn't get to where we were by agreeing with the likes of yourself and gregster who hold the polar opposite opinion, it was more upfront back then and we all took 'stick' as good as we got by liking/defending/poking a brand.

Being on Nvidia now it's weird agreeing with you where I never thought I would, but the other guy-he takes hardcore to a whole other level.:D
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Turn coat :D:D:D

Tbh a 290/390 is still just as good a card in a lot of gameworks games a month or so after release. I would rather have a better card for the money than pay extra because nvidia want me too. When DX12 hits along with Pascal i forsee the gtx970 struggling.
 
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TheRealDeal said:
Turn coat :D:D:D

Tbh a 290/390 is still just as good a card in a lot of gameworks games a month or so after release. I would rather have a better card for the money than pay extra because nvidia want me too. When DX12 hits along with Pascal i forsee the gtx970 struggling.
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970/290x both have baggage but perform there or there abouts, both of them are fantastic gpus and outwith each of their arguable negatives, for me, the only time one of them outperformed the other Mantle was involved.

So patiently waiting for DX12 but by the looks of it MS blew a whole lot of hot air again, hopefully a Vulkan release(with interest) will put MS back into gear.

I mean ffs AMD have about 2 bob in the kitty and from reveal to BF4 support (I don't think took longer than 6 months?)and the following flow of titles, yet they got dogs for their efforts.
 
tommybhoy said:
970/290x both have baggage but perform there or there abouts, both of them are fantastic gpus and outwith each of their arguable negatives, for me, the only time one of them outperformed the other Mantle was involved.

So patiently waiting for DX12 but by the looks of it MS blew a whole lot of hot air again, hopefully a Vulkan release(with interest) will put MS back into gear.

I mean ffs AMD have about 2 bob in the kitty and from reveal to BF4 support (I don't think took longer than 6 months?)and the following flow of titles, yet they got dogs for their efforts.
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Name a game i can't play with decent support on a single gpu atm. Gameworks does hamper me a little but once amd fiddle about with the black box gimpworks the performance aint bad. If this was a problem the 390 would not be recommended and faster than the gtx970 overall. Anyhow its all about budget for me and i still feel a 290 pcs+ for 170 after selling the games was a far better purchase over a gtx970 as in todays games it still holds up well.

It still sits well with me that i bought a card that will do well in to the future. If i had bought a gtx970 i would be thinking its going to get gimped and it is a gimped card with decent performance. That's my way of thinking though :D:D:D:D:D:D
 
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