2016 : A Pivotal Year For AMD, Nvidia, PC Gaming And VR

andybird123 said:
^ yes the oculus controllers come with an extra camera

Vive UK price £689
http://vrfocus.com/archives/29935/vives-uk-price-revealed/
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£10 better than I feared then, haha.

I am tempted then, instead of the Rift.

As I say, if you reckon it's confirmed you'll be buying an extra camera too, I'm pessimistic about the price of the Oculus touch controllers. Also the CEO of Oculus has said if they had done it as a complete package it would "significantly increase" the cost.

And again, supposedly, part of the reason they haven't released their controllers yet is because the optical tracking is at the moment inferior to the Vive's laser tracking, in terms of accuracy and latency. This is according to tech journalists mind you, so could be rubbish. Maybe leap motion can help them out with the vastly improved tracking algorithms they released yesterday, since they're both optical systems :D
 
If the rift controllers are more than £150 I wont get them. Even then I will wait until there are proper AAA games using them, I mainly plan on playing sim/seated games until we get more than glorified tech demos to play.
 
£700, lol. The installed user base is going to be smaller than a gnat's nut sack.

So much for the predictions of VR taking off any time soon. It's very much a niche product now. Maybe 2026 will be the pivotal year...?
 
FoxEye said:
£700, lol. The installed user base is going to be smaller than a gnat's nut sack.

So much for the predictions of VR taking off any time soon. It's very much a niche product now. Maybe 2026 will be the pivotal year...?
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Totally agree. I tried DK2 and felt the IQ was so poor overall it totally negated the experience IMHO. £500 for CV1 and £680 for HTC Vive puts both tech in the realms of the pure VR enthusiast and I have no interest at those prices.

It's catch 22, VR needs a big userbase so it can take-off as a viable tech yet most people will not buy at those prices which leave most devs thinking "too niche to invest in".

High adoption price = low adoption rate = low intersest for devs = failure longer term.
 
ICDP said:
Totally agree. I tried DK2 and felt the IQ was so poor overall it totally negated the experience IMHO. £500 for CV1 and £680 for HTC Vive puts both tech in the realms of the pure VR enthusiast and I have no interest at those prices.

It's catch 22, VR needs a big userbase so it can take-off as a viable tech yet most people will not buy at those prices which leave most devs thinking "too niche to invest in".

High adoption price = low adoption rate = low intersest for devs = failure longer term.
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VR is going mainstream, just not on PC, my guess is oculus , valve, sony, had a talk they saw that it wasnt beneficial to fragment user base, so they decided sony should be the one to take a go at the mainstream with the PS4, and educate ppl along the way about it, build a userbase for Devs.
because believe me if sony VR solution comes at a price higher than $350, then there will be no take off at all, and VR will end up like stereo-3D
 
This will still sell, but it will sell in AMD numbers, not in Nvidia numbers and that is bad for the take up. Prices will only drop once they let go of their greed and realise its going to fail badly unless they try and do something about it.
 
AlamoX said:
VR is going mainstream, just not on PC, my guess is oculus , valve, sony, had a talk they saw that it wasnt beneficial to fragment user base, so they decided sony should be the one to take a go at the mainstream with the PS4, and educate ppl along the way about it, build a userbase for Devs.
because believe me if sony VR solution comes at a price higher than $350, then there will be no take off at all, and VR will end up like stereo-3D
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What? They all got together and agreed to hand the entire market to Sony? That doesn't sound like a very good plan if you aren't Sony, and don't want to be bought out by Sony :p
 
AlamoX said:
VR is going mainstream, just not on PC, my guess is oculus , valve, sony, had a talk they saw that it wasnt beneficial to fragment user base, so they decided sony should be the one to take a go at the mainstream with the PS4, and educate ppl along the way about it, build a userbase for Devs.
because believe me if sony VR solution comes at a price higher than $350, then there will be no take off at all, and VR will end up like stereo-3D
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I'm not sure just how Sony are going to price their VR solution for the PS4, considering it has all the headset cost and the GPU horsepower cost as well in the external box, how on earth it will be cheaper than these others, is going to be very interesting indeed. Either extremely heavily subsidised, or maybe the Rift and Vive are just massively overpriced, we will see.
 
FoxEye said:
What? They all got together and agreed to hand the entire market to Sony? That doesn't sound like a very good plan if you aren't Sony, and don't want to be bought out by Sony :p
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it might not be obvious if you look at it simplistically, but if you take your time and figure what drives each party, and what they would benefit from it, you might understand what i mean.

bru said:
I'm not sure just how Sony are going to price their VR solution for the PS4, considering it has all the headset cost and the GPU horsepower cost as well in the external box, how on earth it will be cheaper than these others, is going to be very interesting indeed. Either extremely heavily subsidised, or maybe the Rift and Vive are just massively overpriced, we will see.
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they already confirmed the extrenal unit has no compute rendering, it will be just used to take the load off the PS4 cpu, in tasks like 3D audio, tracking etc, and there have been rumors saying that this headset will be compatible for the PS5 also, so yea heavy subsidizing.
 
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LambChop said:
This will still sell, but it will sell in AMD numbers, not in Nvidia numbers and that is bad for the take up. Prices will only drop once they let go of their greed and realise its going to fail badly unless they try and do something about it.
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More like Matrox numbers instead of AMD numbers and that is doing a massive disservice to AMD as they do actually sell a hell of lot of product. :)
 
Seems like we're just gonna have to wait and see what happens. Never been particularly optimistic about mass adoption, however with these prices they have set themselves back 5 years right from the get go. Facebook can set aside a billion for subsidizing quite easily I'm sure. That would allow for the possibility of getting to an install base of 3 million in the first year by halving the price to $300. Everyone would buy one.

They already paid a billion to acquire Oculus.
+another bil for contra revenue

What exactly is the revenue model? How long do you think it would take them to recover the 2b?
 
That's a good question, it seems like a bit of a waste of cash to me, but hey what do I know, here I'm sitting here with my (not a lot of cash) and MR Zuckerberg is sitting there with 35 billion odd. We can only assume that he knows what he is doing, or more likely he has enough so it doesn't matter if it never makes a profit.

I suppose we really have to think just how 'niche' the market for these things are, We here are the niche end of the PC gaming/enthusiast market and how many of us have machines capable of running these VR systems, let alone are actually thinking of buying one. Suddenly the word 'niche' doesn't seem to cover just how small a market this really is.
 
Well thats the thing... Apple and now Google are the richest companies in the world, more money than what they know what to do with and thats a fact.

Fakebook have an awful lot born through advertising, if you can imagine the advertising possibilities with this, it is endless for them.

Or it may indeed just be a play-thing. They have the money to be able to do that and not care a jot.
 
LambChop said:
This will still sell, but it will sell in AMD numbers, not in Nvidia numbers and that is bad for the take up. Prices will only drop once they let go of their greed and realise its going to fail badly unless they try and do something about it.
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lol, its not about greed, its about not selling at a massive loss

prices will drop when the product and its support structure is built up

literally no other technology was ever released in its first consumer generation at the same eventual mass market price, if you don't want to pay early adopter pricing then that is fair play, but no need to whine about it

With the exchange rate continuing to dive, everything is about to get more expensive
 
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andybird123 said:
lol, its not about greed, its about not selling at a massive loss

prices will drop when the product and its support structure is built up

literally no other technology was ever released in its first consumer generation at the same eventual mass market price, if you don't want to pay early adopter pricing then that is fair play, but no need to whine about it

With the exchange rate continuing to dive, everything is about to get more expensive
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It's not whining because its not affordable to me, its about standing up for being ripped the **** off. After the amount of years I've been alive frankly I've had enough of it.
 
LambChop said:
It's not whining because its not affordable to me, its about standing up for being ripped the **** off. After the amount of years I've been alive frankly I've had enough of it.
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I mean, do you really think the price is that bad?

They're priced similarly to high-end smartphones. And cheaper than high-end PC monitors.

These things have higher ppi OLED screens than even the Samsung Galaxy S7, and have the highest end motion/angle/movement tracking currently available. And don't forget about the optics, who's ever heard of a 'cheap' DSLR lens?

No doubt these should drop in price substantially going forward, and there is an early adopter premium, but when recently has there been a 'new tech' which has been easily affordable right from the start? Look at blu ray for example.

I agree the price isn't fantastic, and isn't low enough for mass-adoption, but compared to smartphones, high-end monitors, Apple products in general, I don't think it's taking the mick.
 
AllBodies said:
I mean, do you really think the price is that bad?

They're priced similarly to high-end smartphones. And cheaper than high-end PC monitors.

These things have higher ppi OLED screens than even the Samsung Galaxy S7, and have the highest end motion/angle/movement tracking currently available. And don't forget about the optics, who's ever heard of a 'cheap' DSLR lens?

No doubt these should drop in price substantially going forward, and there is an early adopter premium, but when recently has there been a 'new tech' which has been easily affordable right from the start? Look at blu ray for example.

I agree the price isn't fantastic, and isn't low enough for mass-adoption, but compared to smartphones, high-end monitors, Apple products in general, I don't think it's taking the mick.
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+1

I think your absolutely right. It makes me laugh when I hear some of you lot screaming about the cost of the Oculus or Vive and then I notice that a lot of you have £500+ GFX cards and £500+ monitors.

Hey guys you cant take the money with you...some of you have earned it, so go out and enjoy it. :p
 
i dont think they are ready for gaming yet
but i dont think the price is too high to affect sales either
they will sell out

there's tons of uses for them, even if the only use was porn they would sell out lol
after they see the demand should be a lot more invested too

hopefully it makes them get better real fast :)
 
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