2016 : A Pivotal Year For AMD, Nvidia, PC Gaming And VR

Mei said:
i dont think they are ready for gaming yet
but i dont think the price is too high to affect sales either
they will sell out

there's tons of uses for them, even if the only use was porn they would sell out lol
after they see the demand should be a lot more invested too

hopefully it makes them get better real fast :)
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They will sell some units at any price.

Will they sell enough to make it worth developing for them, is the question. Developers do not put in time, money and effort developing for a platform where they won't make adequate returns.

You can't tack on VR support to some existing title. It has to be developed from the ground up to work with VR. That's a huge commitment, and only worth it if they sell millions of units.
 
LambChop said:
It's not whining because its not affordable to me, its about standing up for being ripped the **** off. After the amount of years I've been alive frankly I've had enough of it.
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I never said you couldn't afford it. If you are going to ignore what everyone is saying (price will come down as the market develops) then equally you should stop posting (whining) about the price.

The amazing thing about a free market is that you can choose what to buy and what price to buy at. If you don't want to pay Rift/Vive price, just wait for a cheaper one.
 
FoxEye said:
They will sell some units at any price.

Will they sell enough to make it worth developing for them, is the question. Developers do not put in time, money and effort developing for a platform where they won't make adequate returns.

You can't tack on VR support to some existing title. It has to be developed from the ground up to work with VR. That's a huge commitment, and only worth it if they sell millions of units.
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guess we have to see how fast they can pump them out
will they even be able to make millions of them

we all know what happens when demand > supply
 
FoxEye said:
£700, lol. The installed user base is going to be smaller than a gnat's nut sack.

So much for the predictions of VR taking off any time soon. It's very much a niche product now. Maybe 2026 will be the pivotal year...?
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VR will take off, while high end VR will have a slow up take due to the cost, Samsung offering free GearVR's with any S7/S7 Edge pre-orders will get a million+ VR headsets out in the open with an already large catalogue of software available.

That will itch the scratch for most but some will want more and look at better more immersive experiences which will help to drive the PC market even further. Not forgetting that both Oculus and the Vive will be doing PC bundles.
 
MadMossy said:
VR will take off, while high end VR will have a slow up take due to the cost, Samsung offering free GearVR's with any S7/S7 Edge pre-orders will get a million+ VR headsets out in the open with an already large catalogue of software available.

That will itch the scratch for most but some will want more and look at better more immersive experiences which will help to drive the PC market even further. Not forgetting that both Oculus and the Vive will be doing PC bundles.
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I wonder if this year's Samsung Note will get a 4K screen, since Sony already has a phone with 4K. The GearVR with a ~6" 4K screen should actually be up there with Oculus/Vive image quality.

Should be a very good way to introduce people to VR.

Also not saying the 2560x1440 of the galaxy S7 is bad, but 4K at that screen size would make a huge difference for VR.
 
AllBodies said:
I mean, do you really think the price is that bad?

They're priced similarly to high-end smartphones. And cheaper than high-end PC monitors.
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I'm sorry but this is incredibly farfetched. Only the iPhone 6SZS 256TB or whatever rubbish is apples most expensive phone is even close to £680, for that you can get pretty much any monitor on the market, (ok, so maybe not professional monitors, but thats hardly a fair comparison, these devices are intended for the consumer) far above "high-end" we are talking "Most expensive computer monitor on the planet" territory.

Yes, the price is THAT bad. Why were the dev kits almost half the price of the RIFT when they were made in the hundreds not the tens of thousands. Let alone less than half the price of the vive. No other "developer kit" in history is even close to half the price of the consumer version, usually orders of magnitude more expensive.

Yes, the newest ones have better components, but time has passed a lot since the original rift dev kit was around (we are talking 3 years), prices for components go down, so even with the much better components I find it hard to believe they need to sell it for almost double in order to make back their cash.
 
Meladath said:
I'm sorry but this is incredibly farfetched. Only the iPhone 6SZS 256TB or whatever rubbish is apples most expensive phone is even close to £680, for that you can get pretty much any monitor on the market, (ok, so maybe not professional monitors, but thats hardly a fair comparison, these devices are intended for the consumer) far above "high-end" we are talking "Most expensive computer monitor on the planet" territory.

Yes, the price is THAT bad. Why were the dev kits almost half the price of the RIFT when they were made in the hundreds not the tens of thousands. Let alone less than half the price of the vive. No other "developer kit" in history is even close to half the price of the consumer version, usually orders of magnitude more expensive.

Yes, the newest ones have better components, but time has passed a lot since the original rift dev kit was around (we are talking 3 years), prices for components go down, so even with the much better components I find it hard to believe they need to sell it for almost double in order to make back their cash.
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utter tosh.

S7 Edge is £639, OCUK stock about 20 monitors over £650, where are you getting your facts from?

You just sound bitter because it's not as cheap as you would like.
 
i dont get why ppl keep comparing VR headsets to monitors and phones
1 the smartphone is mainstream because ppl pay it in 2 years 30$ a month
2-a monitor with £800 sells dozen thousands units a year
even if you wanna compare it to any other components, it doesnt need Devs to make software specialy for it to be used, and for that they need to have a decent number of install base to be interested.
doesnt matter the price of the thing, what matters is what the ppl can afford, the number ppl who can afford 600-800$ headset, wont make a change into the perspective of Devs, and units will sell about 250k per year, and the first year will be the highest, ppl who say they were sold out, ofc they put 10-30k units, and i am pretty sure if you track ppl who bought oculus or who will pre order vive, will be mostly Devs, and a minority of regular enthusiasts, these are ppl who doesnt give a crap about price, thats why i think even if the headsets can manage to break 1milllion unit, it will be even slower to sell afterward. if the price stays between 600-800$, under 500$ will add another couple million units, under 300$ would make it couple dozen millions.
thats why price is important
 
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hyperseven said:
utter tosh.

S7 Edge is £639, OCUK stock about 20 monitors over £650, where are you getting your facts from?

You just sound bitter because it's not as cheap as you would like.
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The vast majority of people get phones on a contract tho. £30 a month for two years, including all their calls, data and texts.

That is a different proposition than finding £700 up front for a VR headset. Most people in this country view a smartphone as an essential, not a luxury, and VR is not even in the same category. It's a toy right now. And for £700, not many are going to take the plunge into the unknown. The only people buying at that price are those who know exactly what they're getting and why they want one.
 
FoxEye said:
The vast majority of people get phones on a contract tho. £30 a month for two years, including all their calls, data and texts.

That is a different proposition than finding £700 up front for a VR headset. Most people in this country view a smartphone as an essential, not a luxury, and VR is not even in the same category. It's a toy right now. And for £700, not many are going to take the plunge into the unknown. The only people buying at that price are those who know exactly what they're getting and why they want one.
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You did read what I was replying to; or have you found a new crusade now the game key saga thread has been closed for business :p

Oh the rift seems to have gone to to £700 now :confused:
 
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FoxEye said:
The vast majority of people get phones on a contract tho. £30 a month for two years, including all their calls, data and texts.

That is a different proposition than finding £700 up front for a VR headset. Most people in this country view a smartphone as an essential, not a luxury, and VR is not even in the same category. It's a toy right now. And for £700, not many are going to take the plunge into the unknown. The only people buying at that price are those who know exactly what they're getting and why they want one.
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Its £700 plus the cost of the PC to run it too.
 
FoxEye said:
The vast majority of people get phones on a contract tho. £30 a month for two years, including all their calls, data and texts.

That is a different proposition than finding £700 up front for a VR headset. Most people in this country view a smartphone as an essential, not a luxury, and VR is not even in the same category. It's a toy right now. And for £700, not many are going to take the plunge into the unknown. The only people buying at that price are those who know exactly what they're getting and why they want one.
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you can also buy PC hardware on pay-monthly finance, you can also buy smartphones from £10 a month / less than a £100 sim free - of the nearly 1 billion handsets sold each year, only 60million are in the 5"+ iphone/S7 type territory

we aren't at that point with VR yet, we are at the IBM Simon stage of development, I'm sure quite a lot of people looked at that device and said it was too expensive and what was it even for anyway

the first consumer 4K TV's were $10k... now you can get one from $300... but we aren't at THAT stage of development yet

they aren't expecting to sell 10m+ Rifts/Vives, they are expecting to sell 1-2m... the fact that they said they had "plenty" of launch/preorder stock and ran out in 15 minutes goes to show the demand is there... but it also goes to show why I'm not getting too excited about "controller" games... because they aren't going to do dedicated VR AAA games for a percentage of 1-2m users, it'll be other games that bolt on VR support like driving games and flight sims etc.

no one should buy a VR headset expecting to play a Battlefield or GTA or whatever, that is gen 2-3 type territory

I actually think that if they'd done the headset at £300 they would have bigger problems with more people trying it and deciding its not good and writing it off... at £500+ they are pitching it to enthusiasts

Rift/Vive this year is still basically tech demo territory - they've gone from selling 50k, to 150k, to 1-2m, so they are going in the right direction, but this is not a mass market device yet

in fact, what VR will be used for by most people (e.g. non-gamers) the phone/headset type devices will suffice for basic entertainment/social apps, so there you are talking about adding $100 to a device that "most people" apparently have already as an "essential" - obviously its not "most" people as its 60m out of 1bn... but even 60m in sales is a market worth approaching
 
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If HTC/Valve and Oculus were to sort some form of finance out then I am sure that they would sell a few more headsets. Saying that if it's THAT good I am sure a short term bank loan wouldnt go amiss. But it has got to have a few killer games and apps to make people cross the threshold. According to Gregster ED is really good and i have heard some good things about Alien Isolation and Eve Valkyrie. It will take off....that I have no doubt about. It just may take a little while longer at those initial prices. You would have thought that Facebook would have had the money to treat the Oculus as a loss leader to get more units sold though. Sony did it with the PS3 and it did well for them.
 
maonayze said:
If HTC/Valve and Oculus were to sort some form of finance out then I am sure that they would sell a few more headsets. Saying that if it's THAT good I am sure a short term bank loan wouldnt go amiss. But it has got to have a few killer games and apps to make people cross the threshold. According to Gregster ED is really good and i have heard some good things about Alien Isolation and Eve Valkyrie. It will take off....that I have no doubt about. It just may take a little while longer at those initial prices. You would have thought that Facebook would have had the money to treat the Oculus as a loss leader to get more units sold though. Sony did it with the PS3 and it did well for them.
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Eh, the PS3 was a fortune at launch $600 for the 60GB :eek:
 
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