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1. You said that there are governments all over the world making things worse.

2. You also said that you do not agree that our government has made things uniquely worse.

3. Therefore, you’re either able to give me an example of one of these governments who you believe have made things equally worse, or you admit that point number 2 above is untrue.

I don’t understand why this is so difficult; it’s an incredibly simple request, surely?
 
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1. You said that there are governments all over the world making things worse.

2. You also said that you do not agree that our government has made things uniquely worse.

3. Therefore, you’re either able to give me an example of one of these governments who you believe have made things equally worse, or you admit that point number 2 above is untrue.

I don’t understand why this is so difficult; it’s an incredibly simple request, surely?
I have explained it above.
YOU might think it has become worse others may not. <--- not hard to understand.

I do not believe this government has made it worse for me.

There are underlying economic problems that have existed in all countries including ours. Each country has their own "unique problem and/or common problem". This idea is very easily understood, and not too hard to interpret or figure out.
 
Stop thinking about yourself you selfish prat. It’s that attitude that facilitates these Kipper morons. One day it will be you.

I will apologise for that if you are several generations younger and less experienced than I. And then you thank me for imparting my wisdom.
 
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Stop thinking about yourself you selfish prat. It’s that attitude that facilitates these Kipper morons. One day it will be you.

I will apologise for that if you are several generations younger and less experienced than I. And then you thank me for imparting my wisdom.
This country has an underlying problem, you truly think these current problems happen overnight with a few policy changes in a week or two.

All countries have been cutting services around the globe, reducing services etc... We ie countries have been redistributing the burden, and we are reaching the point where we cannot redistribute the burden.
We have rising pension and health costs (all this and what we believe from both these two areas have been wrong); our private companies depend on the state for profits.
 
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This country has an underlying problem, you truly think these current problems happen overnight with a few policy changes in a week or two.

All countries have been cutting services around the globe, reducing services etc... We ie countries have been redistributing the burden, and we are reaching the point where we cannot redistribute the burden.
We have rising pension and health costs; our private companies depend on the state for profits.
I don’t , but putting petrol on the fire is stupid. So I get to say it again, from that point of view “you’re not wong”

If I was as lazy as you I’d just say “something will come along to sort it out”.

Not all companies depend on the state. Where on earth do you work?
 
I don’t , but putting petrol on the fire is stupid. So I get to say it again, from that point of view “you’re not wong”

If I was as lazy as you I’d just say “something will come along to sort it out”.

Not all companies depend on the state. Where on earth do you work?
What happened was not putting petrol on the fire not even close., it was more like adding a log. Most countries use the central bank to buy government debt, and this is increasing. We have become too successful and too fast in reducing world poverty, huge amounts of money have been given to poorer countries, and it is coming back home to hurt us.
You will be amazed at how many companies depend on the state for financing, our entire construction industry depends on the state.
 
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The world financial markets are always hanging on a string. Everyone starts to shift across making the next product category unsafe. This may look like it was the fault of our government, really it was always there and about to explode, this was the best time for it to explode and blame it on the government.

Man, you need to a get grip. The government. The UK government should be the last institution that makes any UK financial market "explode". No matter how close it was or wasn't to doing so.

That's just normal. On top of that, this government is not "normal" and by it's own admittance, wasn't being "normal" and caused is causing a load of financial ****.
 
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Man, you need to a get grip. The government. The UK government should be the last institution that makes any UK financial market "explode".
it was exploding before and will explode after; this did not happen overnight this has been going on for years. The pension market is dysfunctional, we have just had a warning and it going to go pop, possibly this summer of 23, we will find out by Feb 23 or March 23.
 
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it was exploding before and will explode after; this did not happen overnight this has been going on for years. The pension market is dysfunctional, we have just had a warning and it going to go pop, possibly this summer of 23, we will find out by Feb 23 or March 23.

Oh well then, best off the UK government pops it? What next for the government? Attenborough was bound to pop his clogs sooner or later so we hung him at Tithebarn?
 
Bloomberg :

Pension funds are selling billions of pounds worth of assets to rebuild their cash buffers before the Bank of England removes critical market support next week that it introduced to prevent the collapse of the UK’s government bond market.

Individual pension funds are each selling tens or hundreds of millions of pounds of liquid assets to boost their reserves, according to pension consultants with knowledge of the transactions, who asked not to be identified discussing their clients. Asset sales across the industry have climbed into the tens of billions of pounds, according to Nikesh Patel, head of client solutions at Van Lanschot Kempen, a wealth management firm.

There are around 5,500 so-called defined benefit schemes in the UK, according to The Pensions Regulator, managing £1.8 trillion. Although not all of them have become forced sellers, scores of them are selling, according to the consultants.

“We are at the center of the storm now,” said Calum Mackenzie, investment partner at Aon, who said he is aware of significant sales of liquid assets in the market. “The storm is moving and it will sweep up other parts of the market.”

The Bank of England pledged £65 billion ($73 billion) of emergency intervention on Sept. 28 after 48-hours of turmoil in the gilt market that caught out pension funds. UK pension fund managers deploying so-called liability-driven investment strategies got trapped in a vicious cycle: they had to put up additional collateral because government bond prices were plunging, and to raise cash they sold bonds, which sent prices down further, forcing them to put up more collateral.

Longer-term gilt yields are already starting to creep higher as the Oct. 14 end date for its bond-buying looms into view, partly as policy makers make it clear they are in no mood to simply prop up prices for traders.
 
is the ranting about the "anti growth coalition" the new version of the fastest vaccine rollout line ? They seem to be using it everywhere. Last night on QT that baldy stable heating tory thief kept rolling it out, it makes no fricking sense and just makes them sound like a bunch of fringe lunatics.
 
The world financial markets are always hanging on a string. Everyone starts to shift across making the next product category unsafe. This may look like it was the fault of our government, really it was always there and about to explode, this was the best time for it to explode and blame it on the government.
So the government suggesting less regulation rather than more is tantamount to treason against their own country. They know the flaws, the cracks, the chasms, yet see to exploit rather than fix and shore up.
 
Empty slogans work and this country has a lot of idiots willing to lap it up.

Indeed. Put 'anti-growth coalition' on the side of a bus and the Tories will storm to another election victory. We all know how 52% of the electorate are utterly mesmerised by propaganda written on the side of a double decker.
 
is the ranting about the "anti growth coalition" the new version of the fastest vaccine rollout line ? They seem to be using it everywhere. Last night on QT that baldy stable heating tory thief kept rolling it out, it makes no fricking sense and just makes them sound like a bunch of fringe lunatics.
The anti growth thing is more of the same politics of division IMO, keep people fighting amongst themselves and they're less likely to see what's really going on, you see it every day on these here forums. It's the lefties, it's the EU, the immigrants, the banks, everything and anything but the actual people who make the rules.

As corny as it sounds there's more that unites us than divides us but they'd have you believe that's not true.
 
So the government suggesting less regulation rather than more is tantamount to treason against their own country. They know the flaws, the cracks, the chasms, yet see to exploit rather than fix and shore up.
The current problems go far deeper than the government. The pension problem has been going on for years, it is very easy to blame this government but really it has nothing to do with them. If you like to have a scapegoat then yer blame them, they are easy targets.

Truth be told this has been going on for 30 years, both labour and tories are both to blame.

I have already explained it in very simple terms, it is your choice to accept it or not, it is the ability to comprehend something that most people do not come across but place their heads into a hole hoping the problems can be hidden for a long time, or easier still, blame a group in this case Tories.

Pitch forks out for those on benefits, or local government or central government or another country or the rich or the working class.

I see how the system works, it is not that hard, however most have this romantic idea of our system.

Large majority of people want higher house prices, however increasing prices is no good for 98% of our population, (impact homeowners as well). Increasing prices of home is not beneficial for our economy, there is no trickle down effect.
 
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The anti growth thing is more of the same politics of division IMO, keep people fighting amongst themselves and they're less likely to see what's really going on, you see it every day on these here forums. It's the lefties, it's the EU, the immigrants, the banks, everything and anything but the actual people who make the rules.

As corny as it sounds there's more that unites us than divides us but they'd have you believe that's not true.

People have a side and once they make up their minds it becomes difficult to change. It is easy to blame a group when a negative event happens.

As I said the UK has been damage by events that happened 30-20 years ago.
 
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