2022 QD-OLED thread
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Will wait to see what the Sony looks like but yes this Samsung is yuck! And sadly all the amateur YouTube reviewers are praising it as the new hot bread because they are overwhelmed by its blown out, over saturated fakeness
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Usual people that can't accept criticism are accusing Vincent Teoh oh being a paid LG shill in the comments now.
I swear people don't watch the videos, they just get upset and lash out
He clearly says that as a consumer if your preference is the Samsungs artificially brightened image, then that is a valid choice to make.
HDTV tests whole preference is about it being accurate, which you would hope and expect from somebody who calibrated TVs for many years.
For me the most damning thing about it is the red car in the footage of 'Once upon a time in Hollywood' taking your eyes away from where Tarantino wants you to be looking. That's going to happen in a lot of movies and I'd rather be invested in the movie, not my brain going "woah that pops out"
I swear people don't watch the videos, they just get upset and lash out
He clearly says that as a consumer if your preference is the Samsungs artificially brightened image, then that is a valid choice to make.
HDTV tests whole preference is about it being accurate, which you would hope and expect from somebody who calibrated TVs for many years.
For me the most damning thing about it is the red car in the footage of 'Once upon a time in Hollywood' taking your eyes away from where Tarantino wants you to be looking. That's going to happen in a lot of movies and I'd rather be invested in the movie, not my brain going "woah that pops out"
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Exactly this, the meltdown on the yank AVS is absolutely hilarious
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Personally, without DV I wouldn't buy any Samsung tv, the Sony QD Oled is the only option as I've said in other threads.
But it will probably turn in to the most pushed Oled and top all sales.
But it will probably turn in to the most pushed Oled and top all sales.
I first came into contact with Vincent in 2016 when he spent half a day calibrating my then 2 month old LG 65EF950V Oled. It was the first flat screen Oled that LG did (the previous being curved). It is still my only TV and is still very good, after Vincent's calibration.
I would trust his view on colour accuracy of any TV over just about anybody else in the UK. Most of the self proclaimed "experts" on youtube are only experts on self advancement and have no interest in anything other than that self advancement.
I fully intend to upgrade my 65EF950V in the near future to an LG OLED77G26LA, once they become available and after i have seen it. I also fully intend to give Vincent a call after a couple of months and have him calibrate it.
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Vincent afaik doesn't calibrate tvs anymore
You could well be right, i rang him earlier on tonight and got no reply. Will have a look on HDTV and see if he still does it.
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He often mentions that he used to be in his vids, I sent him an email to sort out my C9 a year ago but never had a response
You or someone you know works at Sony don't theyI've just found out I will be able to get a 40% discount direct with Sony, so might get one of the new 42" OLEDs for the bedroom
Shared building, so reciprocal employee benefitsYou or someone you know works at Sony don't they
Shared building, so reciprocal employee benefits
Tell them to hurry up with my HT-A9'S
The issue is most viewers simply lack the ability to think past their nose, so they don't understand what's really being discussed, and Vincent was being very selective in his framing of what he did show. The ironic part is his coverage is actually less accurate as far as what you'd get from TVs since he has pretty much stopped providing non-calibrated numbers (unlike f.ex. RTINGS), so for the 99.999% of people who would buy any of these TVs and not pay a professional a few hundred extra the fact that the S95B is doing something extra with its processing choices is irrelevant as compared to the regular WOLEDs from LG & Sony because, here's something shocking, they also modify the picture quality out of the box in ways tracking differently than a reference picture (plus what the actual (in)accuracy is out of the box) - so now people look at his video and think, oh golly gee I better get one of those instead of a Samsung if I want accuracy but in reality there's no accuracy to be found anywhere without paying a lot extra for it (and in a QD-OLED's case there's even fewer guys who have the proper equipment available). And if you aren't getting it calibrated then how would you even know what the difference is exactly?
As for the QD-OLED itself, there's a lot of promise here and it's looking great but I'm still more excited about price drops for big TVs with "good enough" quality (aka FALD) because size really makes a bigger difference. I'm curious to see how much LG will end up dropping their prices, or if they just ignore Samsung given their limited production & instead hope for the best. Could work for this year but next year QD-OLED's going to be unignorable. It's going to be even more painful for them once ink-jet printed OLEDs start coming online, because then they're going to be squeezed between that on the low end and the QD-OLED on the higher end, and while they might just have to eat the margins shrinkage the problem for them becomes that they have nothing else display tech wise on the horizon to keep competing with, so this nice little monopoly they've had with the WOLED is going to come to an end.
I think I'll get myself one of these next year once I see a healthy discount, probably the 55", but twice as expensive as WOLED is just too much. I keep holding out on a big TV purchase, but it has to be big (85" or bigger) & 8K for me but I remain unimpressed with what's out right now both in terms of quality & price. Hopefully it won't be too long until a decent miniLED isn't so gimped in game mode & is more adequately priced, I think LCDs will still remain unbeatable in terms of PQ/$ at larger sizes for quite a few years to come.
As for the QD-OLED itself, there's a lot of promise here and it's looking great but I'm still more excited about price drops for big TVs with "good enough" quality (aka FALD) because size really makes a bigger difference. I'm curious to see how much LG will end up dropping their prices, or if they just ignore Samsung given their limited production & instead hope for the best. Could work for this year but next year QD-OLED's going to be unignorable. It's going to be even more painful for them once ink-jet printed OLEDs start coming online, because then they're going to be squeezed between that on the low end and the QD-OLED on the higher end, and while they might just have to eat the margins shrinkage the problem for them becomes that they have nothing else display tech wise on the horizon to keep competing with, so this nice little monopoly they've had with the WOLED is going to come to an end.
I think I'll get myself one of these next year once I see a healthy discount, probably the 55", but twice as expensive as WOLED is just too much. I keep holding out on a big TV purchase, but it has to be big (85" or bigger) & 8K for me but I remain unimpressed with what's out right now both in terms of quality & price. Hopefully it won't be too long until a decent miniLED isn't so gimped in game mode & is more adequately priced, I think LCDs will still remain unbeatable in terms of PQ/$ at larger sizes for quite a few years to come.
