Damnit, that is one I forgot from earlier (what have the unions done for us) Work to rule.
That is where you watch the clock, do whatever you are told by your rep and get snubbed if you are last out of the car park.
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Damnit, that is one I forgot from earlier (what have the unions done for us) Work to rule.
That is where you watch the clock, do whatever you are told by your rep and get snubbed if you are last out of the car park.
The time allocated by the current rules (STPCD 2011) regarding Directed time give allocated time to both after school activities and management meetings, with an additional allocation for weekly staff meetings.
The school in which my friend works has 1.30hrs allocated to a weekly Staff Meeting and 1.45Hrs allocated weekly to extra-curricular activities...along with 10 10 minute periods allocated for before and after school supervisory duties and additional time is allocated for Parents evenings.
In addition to the directed time, additional payments can be allocated for extra curricular learning activities and this includes Study Groups, Revision Clubs, Extra Tuition, Chess Clubs, Training clubs for school sports, Drama and Choir groups and so on....this includes these criteria even if it is done on a voluntary basis.
If any teacher is finding it difficult to manage their time suitably then it is their responsibility to bring this to the attention of the Head so that either additional payments can be authorised or the Directed Time Allocation is suitably adjusted.
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Are you honestly stating that the head is going to listen to NQT about DTA, really?
Again, as of Thursday this week teachers will finish their working day at 1530. I.e. working to rule.
edit: Additional payments are NEVER handed out. Certainly over the last 5 years at the school my wife works at (public secondary)
Teachers are PAID for a circa 35 hour week
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No she is not a teacher, and she has to work Christmas day to authorise payments in global offices that cannot be done either prior to or after that date. She did it from home, nonetheless it is still work as defined by the people defending Teachers complaints that they are Low earners....which, given the average Teaching Salary is £35k (significantly above the Average UK salary) that is simply untrue.
So it has nothing to do with poor time management or her ability to process work in due time.
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The point is that you are being disingenuous when you say they do not get paid for out of school activities and detentions.
They do.
Whether they are going to work to rule or not is immaterial. They are required to work the DTA and the DTA allocates paid hours to these activities.
Whether they are right to take action over their pensions or not is immaterial to your, and other claims as to their working conditions...especially when compared to other occupations, both within and without the Public Sector.
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They do not, they get paid for a 35 hour week. Hence, as of thursday teachers will finish every day at 1530.
If they were contracted to work all these extra hours for after school activities (perhaps my wife is slightly bias as she is PE teacher) they would be sacked.
It is part of their role to cover after school activities yes but if they have worked the hours which they ALL do, i.e. covering, lesson plans etc then they are entitled to leave at 1530
If they were contracted to work all these extra hours for after school activities (perhaps my wife is slightly bias as she is PE teacher) they would be sacked.
It is part of their role to cover after school activities yes but if they have worked the hours which they ALL do, i.e. covering, lesson plans etc then they are entitled to leave at 1530
I am although I didn’t get the 8k pay loss as they only pay me 20k as an IT/Network Manager. But other IT staff on 25k to 30k have been knocked down as much as 8k to bring us all in line with each other. Our site Manager lost well over 5k and a lot of other staff lost 2k. All none teaching staff took a 4 year pay freeze as well. In my case we have to take school holidays off but do not get paid for it and are expected to do as much work as teachers over the holidays. I am on call all holiday without pay.I presume you're not in that situation?
Why would anyone who was remotely talented in the IT industry put up with that
None of it really bothers me apart from the retiring at a later date. Times are hard and things need to be done. But given the above I hope you can see why I dont agree with saying public workers have it easy and and I get fed-up of seeing teachers say they are hard hit when they are exempt from everything apart from the pensions. Its always teachers this, teachers that ignoring the real hard hit people.
Why on earth would anyone take an £8k paycut, though? Surely they'd just look for a job in the private sector?
Which leads on to poor time management.
As a PE teacher is she not required contractually to allocate part of her time to out of school sports activities?
It seems that is a requirement in at least one Job Description I can see.
I can certainly understand how a teacher could arrange their hours as to be as disruptive as possible, but that doesn't make it right.
https://czone.eastsussex.gov.uk/sch...itions/workingtime/Documents/working_time.pdf
I am not saying that teachers do not work additional hours, but they are certainly not unique in doing so and are certainly not amongst the low paid or least advantaged of the Public Sector workers (or indeed many private sector workers). I am also not saying they should not fight for what they were promised as regards pensions, although something has to give so a compromise will have to be met somewhere or services and the standards of teaching will fall as more money is funnelled to Teachers Pensions and Salaries and away from school budgets.
What I am saying is that it is disingenuous to suggest that Teachers do not get compensated for Detentions, Break Supervision and Out of School activities, because procedures exist to allocated both DTA and extra payments for such things under the STPCD.
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Nope, nothing at all. They do it for the love of it. It is usally the "new" in post who are pushed to do it within the department
According to this article on the BBC site:
-The UK has a workforce of 29m people.
-5.3m are in public sector pensions
-3.2m are in private pensions where the employer contributes
-6.4m have their own private pensions.
That means 14.1m people have no pension in place.
Shouldn't we be trying to provide them with decent pension options rather than devaluing the pensions of others which Lord hutton himself has said are hardly gold plated as it is. After all when their working life comes to an end a large portion of them will only have their state pension and be getting pension credits and council tax benefit.
If it's only half of them and their council tax is around £130 a month thats 7.05m x £130 = £916m per year and we're not even taking pension credits into account.
Obviously exisiting pension shemes would still have to be adjusted but this should be done on a scheme by scheme basis. It seems fairly obvious that most of the problems come from the unfunded schemes as opposed to the funded local government shemes (many of which are in a position to meet their liabilities) so that is why general alterations that apply to all schemes are not the way to go.
-The UK has a workforce of 29m people.
-5.3m are in public sector pensions
-3.2m are in private pensions where the employer contributes
-6.4m have their own private pensions.
That means 14.1m people have no pension in place.
Shouldn't we be trying to provide them with decent pension options rather than devaluing the pensions of others which Lord hutton himself has said are hardly gold plated as it is. After all when their working life comes to an end a large portion of them will only have their state pension and be getting pension credits and council tax benefit.
If it's only half of them and their council tax is around £130 a month thats 7.05m x £130 = £916m per year and we're not even taking pension credits into account.
Obviously exisiting pension shemes would still have to be adjusted but this should be done on a scheme by scheme basis. It seems fairly obvious that most of the problems come from the unfunded schemes as opposed to the funded local government shemes (many of which are in a position to meet their liabilities) so that is why general alterations that apply to all schemes are not the way to go.
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Yes we should Meths but most in the private sector lack the will to get organised and do something about it.
I know at least one school that allocates DTA for PE Teachers activites outside of school and according to the STPCD 2011 any activities as specified by the Head teacher must count toward DTA and additional payments are available for this if not within the DTA.
If I were your Wife, I would get hold of her Union Rep and ask to see the latest STCPD so that she can see whether she is entitled to extra payments for running such activities or whether they are part of her DTA.
Nope, most are private sector companies.
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Listen to Castiel - as usual he does know what he's talking about.
Castiel - re my earlier comment in response to yours (quoted in post #782) - I'd misunderstood your meaning, thanks for clarifying.
