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Why would you not just post it here? Its not like the casino police will come along and ban you from sites for giving us the inside scoop.
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Why would you not just post it here? Its not like the casino police will come along and ban you from sites for giving us the inside scoop.
I assume he won't post because the "system" is like all the others, that don't work, because they assume previous bets affect future ones.
I think he's just lucky that he won enough to initially with draw his money, but another time, he could easily lose it all at first.
How have you worked out that your 80-1 to win? Also your only up about £600? You do realise you've only had a tiny sample size of spins and therefore it is highly likely that if you are actually in profit it's down to positive variance over a small sample and over a greater sample it is inevitable that your conservative or 'strategic' betting strategy will lose and you will blow your bankroll.
I'll say it again.... There is NO winning strategy for roulette. Fact.
It's actually the most profitable table game for the house....for this very reason.
I'll say it again.... There is NO winning strategy for roulette. Fact.
It's actually the most profitable table game for the house....for this very reason.
He is likely just a troll.
Whatever you think
a losing pattern happens more during continuous play than if you're playing twice a day where you'd be very unlucky to hit a loss straight out in the sequence of play. There are more wins than losses so to hit a loss you'd be unlucky. Playing continuously you will hit a loss faster than jumping in for one win and then shutting down.
Continuous play is continuous play whether games are seconds, minutes, hours, or days apart. All you're doing is slowing down the process.
Except you're not stopping betting. You're going back later that day or the next morning.
Why on earth do you think that leaving a couple of hours between games miraculously changes the odds?
No **** sherlock, if you're leaving a couple of hours between games then of course you're not going to hit a loss as quickly.
Ok I'll put it up. It's not my method but it was shared with me and I know it works. I'm in work but will do it later.
No **** sherlock, if you're leaving a couple of hours between games then of course you're not going to hit a loss as quickly.
Say what you want, I use it, i've withdrawn funds from the casino on it and it works for me. I get more wins than losses which clears me a profit. That's it bottom line.
Yes, to start again from the beginning of the progression. As it's a progression style bet you can risk more money in the next bet and we're talking a progression of 1-1, 3-3, 9-9...if you didn't have a stop loss system in place you could just try to bet the next natural set of bets 27-27. Some have the bank roll to do that and get it on the 4th bet (27-27) but when you're betting i unit as £5 then you're betting 27+27 = 54 x £5 = £270.
To me that's too much to gamble so I'll take the hit and go back to mapping out the next sequence for my next bets starting from the 1-1 mark again.
£457 in the past seven days, but only from football bets. A pound bet the other night got me £145.
I don't want to be doing it too often though.
Say what you want, I use it, i've withdrawn funds from the casino on it and it works for me. I get more wins than losses which clears me a profit. That's it bottom line.
It's called luck, and good for you that so far you seem to have been on the winning side of it, but don't delude yourself into thinking that it's because you've "beaten" the game or found a "system"
Over the last year or so I think I'm up a few hundred quid playing blackjack on random nights out in the casino. This doesn't mean I have a winning system that's proven to beat the house.... I just play as statistically correct as possible so that the house has a lower edge. The fact that I'm up just means variance has been on my side. If I played a lot, I would ultimately be a small loser at the game and I have no delusions about that. There is no winning roulette system so I suggest you take note of my blackjack explanation so that when the day comes that your a losing player (if you aren't actually already) it won't come as a surprise.
Say what you want, I use it, i've withdrawn funds from the casino on it and it works for me. I get more wins than losses which clears me a profit. That's it bottom line.
Some people use horoscope's, birthdays, other dates, lucky numbers etc... to pick lottery numbers. Just because they win sometimes doesn't mean that their system of picking numbers works - they just got lucky.
You've fallen for the same fallacy plenty of other gamblers have fallen for - the belief that the spins aren't independent events. This idea of streaks, coming back the next day, using a stop loss is just silliness - as has already been pointed out it makes no difference if you play again the next day or play the next spin - you're still just playing again and it's just another independent -EV bet. Playing only a few times probably keeps up the delusion for you - if you played more frequently the luck/variance would be minimised and you'd rapidly find out that -EV bets result on you losing money.
This was shared by someone and isn't my own made up method. I use it and I'm success full with it.
Its strength comes from combining dozens and columns. It should only be played HIT AND RUN....
Note down the last 12 spins of dozens/columns alternating into 3 groups each 4 wide...
These are the actual real wheel spin results - DO NOT PLAY RNG
14, 32, 7, 21, 33, 18, 18, 1, 15, 6, 28, 13 from Smartlive casino
Example: numbers 1,2,3 are dozens, letters A,B,C are columns
You take the first number 14....and as it's in the second dozen you use a 2, the next number is 32 and it's in the B row so you add the letter b beside the 2( 2 was the second dozen that 14 was in). You do this with all the numbers until you have the following matrix
2B1C
3C2A
2C3A
......... fourth pattern
Once we have our 3 groups each 4 wide we are betting that the fourth pattern will be different from the first... In this case we are first betting on dozens 1/3( to beat second dozen that 14 appeared in) then columns A/C (to beat column B that 32 was in) then dozens 2/3 (to beat the first dozen that 7 appeared in) then(/OR) columns A/B (to beat Column C that 21 appeared in. Betting progression is 1/1, 3/3, 9/9 You can also chose to play 1/1, 3/3, 9/9, 27/27. However the strikerate for the first 3 bets is very HIGH...Note you're betting 3 times but you decide if you bet form the first bet or look for a first bet loss virtual then use real money on 2nd bet.
If you win on bet 1 you stop - You have won 1unit (u) as you get 2-1 and your winning chip back on dozen and column bets, making a £5-£5 bet for the 1-1 bet shown above giving you back £15 or 1 unit profit.
If you got a number which was in the second dozen then that bet fails and you record it like so
-2B1C
3C2A
2C3A
-2
I'm using the "-" symbol to show what lines we are betting against versus the spins that you get next.
You are then moving your unit bet up to 3u-3u and you are going to bet that the B column doesn't get spun next. Again if column A or C appears you stop as you've got your 1unit/chip win.
Ok say you then had the number 5 spun, it's in the B column. You record it like so
-2B1C
3C2A
2C3A
-2B
If you didn't get that win either then you move to 9-9unit bets (At this point I also cover green zero for insurance) and see if you get a second or third dozen spin to win. If you win you stop and shut down as you've got your 1 unit/chip profit.
If at this point I don't win either I stop! Even though there is a 4th number to be spun to complete the line. The next bet sequence is 27-27 but too many units for my liking, to risk.
If I'm playing the system with a virtual bet on what would have been the first bet of 1-1, I start playing if the first bet was a loss but I'd start the real money 1-1 bet on the 2nd spin so I can play the 3rd and 4th spin. I rotate the starting bet between the 1st and 2nd number.
A total loss is 1+1+3+3+1(for green zero)9+9+1(for green zero) giving a overall unit loss of 28u for that game
Record your wins/losses to help track your profits
An example of my stats since starting to use this method is ...and these are **REAL WHEEL SPINS NO RNG**
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 260
TOTAL GAMES WON 256
TOTAL GAMES LOST 4
STRIKERATE 1:64...ish
STEP 1 WINS 132
STEP 2 WINS 88
STEP 3 WINS 36
TOTAL LOSSES 4
Games won - 256units = 256x£5 = 1280
Games lost - 4x26 units = 104 units x £5 = £520
Profit - £760 thus far
Its strength comes from combining dozens and columns. It should only be played HIT AND RUN....
Note down the last 12 spins of dozens/columns alternating into 3 groups each 4 wide...
These are the actual real wheel spin results - DO NOT PLAY RNG
14, 32, 7, 21, 33, 18, 18, 1, 15, 6, 28, 13 from Smartlive casino
Example: numbers 1,2,3 are dozens, letters A,B,C are columns
You take the first number 14....and as it's in the second dozen you use a 2, the next number is 32 and it's in the B row so you add the letter b beside the 2( 2 was the second dozen that 14 was in). You do this with all the numbers until you have the following matrix
2B1C
3C2A
2C3A
......... fourth pattern
Once we have our 3 groups each 4 wide we are betting that the fourth pattern will be different from the first... In this case we are first betting on dozens 1/3( to beat second dozen that 14 appeared in) then columns A/C (to beat column B that 32 was in) then dozens 2/3 (to beat the first dozen that 7 appeared in) then(/OR) columns A/B (to beat Column C that 21 appeared in. Betting progression is 1/1, 3/3, 9/9 You can also chose to play 1/1, 3/3, 9/9, 27/27. However the strikerate for the first 3 bets is very HIGH...Note you're betting 3 times but you decide if you bet form the first bet or look for a first bet loss virtual then use real money on 2nd bet.
If you win on bet 1 you stop - You have won 1unit (u) as you get 2-1 and your winning chip back on dozen and column bets, making a £5-£5 bet for the 1-1 bet shown above giving you back £15 or 1 unit profit.
If you got a number which was in the second dozen then that bet fails and you record it like so
-2B1C
3C2A
2C3A
-2
I'm using the "-" symbol to show what lines we are betting against versus the spins that you get next.
You are then moving your unit bet up to 3u-3u and you are going to bet that the B column doesn't get spun next. Again if column A or C appears you stop as you've got your 1unit/chip win.
Ok say you then had the number 5 spun, it's in the B column. You record it like so
-2B1C
3C2A
2C3A
-2B
If you didn't get that win either then you move to 9-9unit bets (At this point I also cover green zero for insurance) and see if you get a second or third dozen spin to win. If you win you stop and shut down as you've got your 1 unit/chip profit.
If at this point I don't win either I stop! Even though there is a 4th number to be spun to complete the line. The next bet sequence is 27-27 but too many units for my liking, to risk.
If I'm playing the system with a virtual bet on what would have been the first bet of 1-1, I start playing if the first bet was a loss but I'd start the real money 1-1 bet on the 2nd spin so I can play the 3rd and 4th spin. I rotate the starting bet between the 1st and 2nd number.
A total loss is 1+1+3+3+1(for green zero)9+9+1(for green zero) giving a overall unit loss of 28u for that game
Record your wins/losses to help track your profits
An example of my stats since starting to use this method is ...and these are **REAL WHEEL SPINS NO RNG**
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 260
TOTAL GAMES WON 256
TOTAL GAMES LOST 4
STRIKERATE 1:64...ish
STEP 1 WINS 132
STEP 2 WINS 88
STEP 3 WINS 36
TOTAL LOSSES 4
Games won - 256units = 256x£5 = 1280
Games lost - 4x26 units = 104 units x £5 = £520
Profit - £760 thus far
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RNG or not it makes no difference to a real wheel (you're not trying to predict where the ball lands here)
As for 'hit and run' - why on earth do you think that coming back to play another day is any different to simply playing the next go....???
Its just a progression system that relies on a false assumption that each spin is not an independent event - see gamblers fallacy... you've got nothing there to overcome the -EV of each bet you place - you'll likely experience lots of small wins in amongst some large losses, in the long run the losses are likely to be larger than the relatively smaller wins. If your results are to be believed then you've been lucky so far - if I were you I'd quit while you're ahead...
You can go to sky tv channel 869 and write down the numbers and test the method out. Most will get greedy and play too many times and get hit with a loss before their bankroll can absorb it and try and win back too fast. Streaks of 30 + are common for me and when you have odds of 81-1 in your favour you'd be unlucky to jump in at the time that the one loss appears. Hence the high strike rate of this method hit and run.
If you are playing with a system which has a 80 to 1 odds just twice a day you are limiting your exposure.... I think it just comes down to **exposure**.. The more times somebody crosses a busy street in a day the more dangerous it becomes......
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Thanks subbytna, can't wait to try this out at Vegas next week. I'm gonna win big!
For example, I have looked at 5000 Live Spielbank spins and I see the following type of PATTERN consistently......lots of W's and a few L's too. A Win is a+1 unit profit game and a L is a 26 unit loss.
WLWLWWWWWWLWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWLW
There are winning streaks there of 10 and 12 wins before a loss.
If I played this method continually I would not like the results...but I'm not.
However if I had to throw a dart at this sort of a sequence just twice a day (morning and evening), not identical but similar set of results, I feel confident I would not HIT an L too often....... That is how hit and run can be a safer option. 80 chances to win against 1 chance to lose. It simply works, you will land between losing games more often than you land ON THEM. that's the plain fact. I have 16 years of experience playing both ways. I could never get an edge longterm playing STRAIGHT CONTINUOUS
Casinos know this, but if the player has a decent method and THE DISCIPLINE to play HIT AND RUN. Winning isnt a maybe its a certainty. You will definately produce superior results that go beyond break even point. Then using smart money management you go clear in profit margin.
WLWLWWWWWWLWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWLW
There are winning streaks there of 10 and 12 wins before a loss.
If I played this method continually I would not like the results...but I'm not.
However if I had to throw a dart at this sort of a sequence just twice a day (morning and evening), not identical but similar set of results, I feel confident I would not HIT an L too often....... That is how hit and run can be a safer option. 80 chances to win against 1 chance to lose. It simply works, you will land between losing games more often than you land ON THEM. that's the plain fact. I have 16 years of experience playing both ways. I could never get an edge longterm playing STRAIGHT CONTINUOUS
Casinos know this, but if the player has a decent method and THE DISCIPLINE to play HIT AND RUN. Winning isnt a maybe its a certainty. You will definately produce superior results that go beyond break even point. Then using smart money management you go clear in profit margin.
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you do realise that playing twice a day for the next 50 days is no different to just playing 100 times in a day.... you're not having to make any decisions here... you're following a set system - if it worked then you'd be able to make huge gains, in reality you've played it a few times and got lucky...
there are no patterns - the outcome is random... if there were patterns then it would be exploitable and people much smarter than you would be making a fortune... casinos realised the implications of a slightly biased wheel over a century ago and they guy who discovered the biased wheel made a fortune - this was in 1873... in fact anyone who's ever found an edge at this game has made a significant sum - you've got no edge, you're just falling into the same traps that countless gamblers before you have.