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3800x thread.

Jamin280672 said:
I really dont think the £50 difference in price justifies 100mhz, I really dont think AMD would even do that, whats the point, why release a 2nd 8 core 16 thread CPU with only 100mhz difference for £50 more, AMD are not really in the habit of ripping people off.
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Coming from Intel for the last 15 years an extra 100mhz for £50 is a bargain :P

Seriously just take a look at their product stacks going back basically forever. That last 100mhz or so to get the top i7/core2quad/p4 has never come that cheap. Because AMD dont split their stack into locked and unlocked SKUs it makes it easier to play the value card at the higher product. I guess my point is maybe this only works if you sandbox somewhat and ignore Intel?
 
MrPils said:
Coming from Intel for the last 15 years an extra 100mhz for £50 is a bargain :p

Seriously just take a look at their product stacks going back basically forever. That last 100mhz or so to get the top i7/core2quad/p4 has never come that cheap. Because AMD dont split their stack into locked and unlocked SKUs it makes it easier to play the value card at the higher product. I guess my point is maybe this only works if you sandbox somewhat and ignore Intel?
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This.
100mhz is nothing.
104 fps to 110 fps in 1440p games is nothing (but equally totally matters to Intel supporters).
None of it actually MATTERS.

We're all chasing our particular version of "best" though.
Mines "as fast as it'll go for games without Intel" currently, so 3800X is about the right mark.

There's chance once PBO is fixed that 3800X will have more than 100mhz between it and a £50 cheaper CPU. That's all up in the air though and won't be sorted for at least a few more weeks at the earliest.
 
These tiny 1-2% gains should be reserved for the absolute high end stuff, not mid range like the 3700x/3800x. When there are much better GPUs and CPUs available it seems pointless spending a huge amount extra for an insignificant gain when there are far better performing chips anyway.
 
Jamin280672 said:
I really don't think the £50 difference in price justifies 100mhz, I really don't think AMD would even do that, what's the point, why release a 2nd 8 core 16 thread CPU with only 100mhz difference for £50 more, AMD are not really in the habit of ripping people off.
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True. I don't disagree despite my comments. It's just at this moment in tie with what people have experienced of the two chips the doesn't seem to be much of a difference.
 
opethdisciple said:
True. I don't disagree despite my comments. It's just at this moment in tie with what people have experienced of the two chips the doesn't seem to be much of a difference.
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My opinion is that it's a Marketing thing, AMD wanted to cover all price brackets so customers had an option right in line with their particular budget. If you take out the two chips that don't appear to make much sense (3600X and 3800X) that leaves a gap for people who have budgeted 250 or 400 $/£ for a CPU which before the price drops would have been occupied by the 9700K and 9600K.
 
More tinkering last night. Never OC'd RAM before and only used XMP previously so spend a good few hours reading guides etc onthe lengths people go to to get more RAM performance. I have Team Force 3600 and after using DRAM calc managed to get past POST and into windows. But wont pass a Memtest (system reboots) and during a game the same. But I have it running at 3200Mhz now which is an improvement.

Hopefully the DRAM calc that comes tomorrow with a Zen2 option may produce a stable profile. Though I'm not convinced I found all the options in the BIOS settings to match with DRAM calc and some extra settings not listed in DRAM calc, which I left at auto. Not built a PC in a while and assumed RAM was plug & play, or maybe newer BIOS's will help also.
 
Woodsta888 said:
More tinkering last night. Never OC'd RAM before and only used XMP previously so spend a good few hours reading guides etc onthe lengths people go to to get more RAM performance. I have Team Force 3600 and after using DRAM calc managed to get past POST and into windows. But wont pass a Memtest (system reboots) and during a game the same. But I have it running at 3200Mhz now which is an improvement.

Hopefully the DRAM calc that comes tomorrow with a Zen2 option may produce a stable profile. Though I'm not convinced I found all the options in the BIOS settings to match with DRAM calc and some extra settings not listed in DRAM calc, which I left at auto. Not built a PC in a while and assumed RAM was plug & play, or maybe newer BIOS's will help also.
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What new DRAM Calc that comes tomorrow with Zen2 support ?

DRAM Calc 1.5.1 has Zen2 and X570 support.

EDIT: Skip that, ive just forund it 1.6.0
 
The 3800X is a 3700X without the need for fine tuning. It’s also got a better chance of hitting higher 1:1 memory speeds and has slightly more overclocking headroom.
 
jigger said:
The 3800X is a 3700X without the need for fine tuning. It’s also got a better chance of hitting higher 1:1 memory speeds and has slightly more overclocking headroom.
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Lol that means everything in it, cores, IMC, IO chip is better binned.

I'm just testing my ram right now as I type this on my phone, because my PC is currently busy memtesting, just bumped my ram upto 3800mhz from 3600mhz, with stock timings, I've hard locked the IF to 1900mhz and set soc voltage to 1.100v, so far I'm 75% coverage, no errors, I'm going to take it upto 100% coverage then stop it, I'll do a more thorough test over night tonight, but that's all 4 slots filled, 32gb of ram.

https://imgur.com/ndrH5Ff
 
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Woodsta888 said:
Searched for 1.6.0 and I can't find it. Not meant to be released until tomorrow - where you find it?
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I cant post the link to it as its on another forum, but its not been released yet, just keep Googling it, its due to be released on the 29th July, so Monday if all goes well.
 
teppic said:
These tiny 1-2% gains should be reserved for the absolute high end stuff, not mid range like the 3700x/3800x. When there are much better GPUs and CPUs available it seems pointless spending a huge amount extra for an insignificant gain when there are far better performing chips anyway.
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What do you consider "absolute high end"? :D

There's not really anywhere higher to go this side of threadripper..?
What "far better performing chips" are you referring to?
 
Mercutio said:
What do you consider "absolute high end"? :D

There's not really anywhere higher to go this side of threadripper..?
What "far better performing chips" are you referring to?
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3900x, 3950x and the threadripper CPUs. All much more powerful than the 3700x/3800x!
 
Hmmm, depends on usage.

+4c/8t (3900X)will make a difference
+8c/16t (3950X) will make a difference
+24c/48t (32c/64t speculated for TR3) will make a difference

If gaming... not really.
I don't outright disagree, it's all relatively close if gaming is the focus (enough to not really be arsed).
I'd consider dismissing the 2nd/3rd biggest mainstream chip atm as "far worse" a bit... off too though? :)
 
So far I'm very happy with my 3800X, upgrading up from a 4770k it's been great. Everything is much smoother. The biggest thing for me is being able to run everything i want to at the same time without it skipping a beat. Even with all of the background stuff I want open and a game running it still has cores in sleep state. Lovely. It's only boosting to 4.4Ghz right now but I'm hoping that future BIOS updates will unlock a little more.
 
Can anyone get their 3800X to draw more than 65W?

I've done some CPU stress testing on single and multicore but never see the package go above 65W. Or does something like having PBO on, limit this? What is the best stress test to draw max from CPU?
 
Woodsta888 said:
Can anyone get their 3800X to draw more than 65W?

I've done some CPU stress testing on single and multicore but never see the package go above 65W. Or does something like having PBO on, limit this? What is the best stress test to draw max from CPU?
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Cinebench most likely
 
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