3rd time unlucky?

iMacMart · 16 Dec 2007 at 22:18

Put mine down to 1.9 in the bios now, stable as hell and if it carrys on that way it will stay like that

netby · 16 Dec 2007 at 23:29

megatron said:
Yes but from your own experience, u have been running it at high volts 24/7 and its broken twice. So thats why I don't think you understand the concept. People in this thread have said they have had no problem at 1.9v for 11months and I believe them. I just broke a stick and I don't think its "unlucky", I just won't run it as high on volts as before. It makes zero difference to me if its running at 1125Mhz or 800Mhz. It will show up in benchmarks, but I don't notice it playing a game.

absolutely right
after two dead kit´s, I send an email to Crucial, where i told them about my problems and ask them about the 2.2V Vdimm " recomended" by them

they send me that response:

QUOTE( Crucial email)

Hello Daniel,

Thanks for your reply.

I am sorry to hear about the problems you have been experiencing with our Ballistix.

To answer your question, yes running the memory at a lower voltage will increase the life span of the memory.

We state 2.2v on the website, however, this is more of an maximum rating and not a required voltage. Some motherboards may have weak power signals or do not produce accurate voltages. In these cases running the memory up to 2.2-.2.3v will improve stability and the modules may not heat up as much as perhaps they are only being supplied with around 2.0v anyway. However, if you have a good power supply and board with clean signals, you may not need the full voltage to make the memory stable.

If the memory is running stable at 1.9v this is fine.

Hope this helps,

Regards

Paul Motion
Sales and Support Agent
Tel: (800) 013-0330
Fax: (800) 013-0336
mailto:[email protected]

( end)QUOTE

willhub · 16 Dec 2007 at 23:33

Whilst I think today I have learnt something from the people of this forum I dont think its my fault. But I'm running the 4GB GeIL/Ballistix combo @ 2.0V 850 4-4-4-12 now and will see if its stable

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megatron · 16 Dec 2007 at 23:54

You are running 850Mhz, which if u had pc6400 ballistix would be a nominal overclock of 50Mhz (bear in mind everyone agrees pc5300 is just as overclockable as the higher rated parts). Even with 4 dimms I would not be surprised if the RAM could run with +0.0v i.e. 1.8v or closer to 1.85-1.9v due to gigabyte overvolting to start with. I could run at 1000Mhz with 2 ballistix pc6400 dimms with the default voltage. Then I found that to get to 1125Mhz I needed to add +0.2 and later increased to +0.25v to achieve stability.

The point is that with overclocking you use the minimum voltage (usually u do not undervolt) the default voltage, until your overclock becomes unstable. This is a fundamental of overclocking, and without trying to sound patronizing this is something that you are missing and its become very apparent with each subsequent post u make. Read any overclocking guide and u will see I'm not lying.

willhub · 16 Dec 2007 at 23:57

megatron said:
You are running 850Mhz, 50Mhz above rated speed. Even with 4 dimms I would not be surprised if the RAM could run with +0.0v i.e. 1.8v or closer to 1.85-1.9v due to gigabyte overvolting to start with. I could run at 1000Mhz with 2 ballistix pc6400 dimms with the default voltage. Then I found that to get to 1125Mhz I needed to add +0.2 and later increased to +0.25v to achieve stability.

The point is that with overclocking you use the minimum voltage (usually u do not undervolt) the default voltage, until your overclock becomes unstable. This is a fundamental of overclocking, and without trying to sound patronizing this is something that you are missing and its become very apparent with each subsequent post u make. Read any overclocking guide and u will see I'm not lying.

I'm actiualy 183Mhz above stock for the Ballistix, the Ballistix is 667Mhz PC5300, I can try 0.0V.

netby · 16 Dec 2007 at 23:59

willhub said:
Whilst I think today I have learnt something from the people of this forum I dont think its my fault. But I'm running the 4GB GeIL/Ballistix combo @ 2.0V 850 4-4-4-12 now and will see if its stable >

It´s not your fault, I have done same mistake,using 2.2Vdimm,because Crucial advertise the PC2 5300 Ballistyx that way

but after two dead stick´s (one from each kit I have), in a period of tree /four months, I realise something is wrong

but you have another problem

because I´m paranoic about the stability of my system( it must be solid as a rock,otherwise i change whatever hardware until I achieve that) I NEVER mixed-up diferent kind( brands) of memory in my system,because I know with that, instability will be a problem

megatron · 17 Dec 2007 at 00:05

I can really see how Crucial are shooting themselves in the foot selling an overclocking part to the masses. That little email explanation should probably be inside every kit.

coneypark · 17 Dec 2007 at 00:13

megatron said:
I can really see how Crucial are shooting themselves in the foot selling an overclocking part to the masses. That little email explanation should probably be inside every kit.

I would agree with that as the only reason I really know about the voltage wass due to a previous thread on here where Crucial had replied to a members email with roughly the same explination. 2.2v is the maxium they suggest but running it at that can cause the memory to fail. Crucial could probably have saved themselves a number of returns if they did explain this with with the memory.

Glad I could help for once

iMacMart · 17 Dec 2007 at 09:55

I put my RAM volt on "Normal" in the bios and it wouldn't boot so +0.1 it's on now and running perfect

Leave that well alone now

Scougar · 17 Dec 2007 at 11:17

I don't think anyone would recommend selling mismatched pairs of memory. You'll be drawing different power from different slots, not a pretty combination.

I would get a refund or sell the other ram and either get 4 matched 1gb sticks, or get 2x 2gb sticks. The 2x 2gb will probably be more stable as well.

Matthew

willhub · 17 Dec 2007 at 12:00

Scougar said:
I don't think anyone would recommend selling mismatched pairs of memory. You'll be drawing different power from different slots, not a pretty combination.

I would get a refund or sell the other ram and either get 4 matched 1gb sticks, or get 2x 2gb sticks. The 2x 2gb will probably be more stable as well.

Matthew

How will I be drawing different power from different slots when they are both at the same voltage?

lay-z-boy · 18 Dec 2007 at 02:33

willhub said:
How will I be drawing different power from different slots when they are both at the same voltage?

Depending on the design of the stick of ram, one stick or set of sticks may draw more current than the others.
A mobo with good ram regulation should not have any problems with this though, running with two different kits of ram is asking for trouble, stick with one set or add another set of one of them.

willhub · 18 Dec 2007 at 06:59

Seems fine for me now, at normal voltage, 1.8-1.9.

I cant sell the ballistix and get some GeIL because the GeIL is 35 quid and the Ballistix wont fetch that.

dr. sarf · 19 Dec 2007 at 22:43

Just reading the OP....

I've come home from a long day at work - PC been on for over 24 hours. Turned it off after an update, and turned it back on gain - no POST.

Took the RAM out and tried each module (4 x1gb Ballistix Tracer PC5300) and 1 module by itself works fine, the other 3 by themselves and the system won't POST.

Was just gonna install Crysis again as well. :rolleyes:

Will test the 3 modules on another system tomorrow, but it aint looking good for these atm.

londonbairn · 19 Dec 2007 at 22:57

Mixing RAM is not good, I tried it with Reapers and OCZ Platinum for 6gb and it worked for a bit then memory errors like mad (all slots and RAM were fine however)

Can you not sell both sets and go for 2x2gb instead?

londonbairn · 19 Dec 2007 at 22:59

dr. sarf said:
Just reading the OP....

I've come home from a long day at work - PC been on for over 24 hours. Turned it off after an update, and turned it back on gain - no POST.

Took the RAM out and tried each module (4 x1gb Ballistix Tracer PC5300) and 1 module by itself works fine, the other 3 by themselves and the system won't POST.

Was just gonna install Crysis again as well.
Will test the 3 modules on another system tomorrow, but it aint looking good for these atm.

Sounded familiar to me, then saw you have a P5K. This happened to me on the P5K Deluxe and Premiums I had. It would be fine then suddenly never boot and no matter what I tried, refuse to. Then the next day it would be absolutely fine. Made no sense. I ended up changing 4x1gb to 2x2gb to get rid of the problems.

dr. sarf · 19 Dec 2007 at 23:08

rafster said:
Sounded familiar to me, then saw you have a P5K. This happened to me on the P5K Deluxe and Premiums I had. It would be fine then suddenly never boot and no matter what I tried, refuse to. Then the next day it would be absolutely fine. Made no sense. I ended up changing 4x1gb to 2x2gb to get rid of the problems.

Thats interesting to know. I'll see if they work in another system, if not (hope not) then I'll get them replaced, though that will mean no PC for a while cos I believe I have to send them back in pairs to Crucial.

willhub · 19 Dec 2007 at 23:16

rafster said:
Mixing RAM is not good, I tried it with Reapers and OCZ Platinum for 6gb and it worked for a bit then memory errors like mad (all slots and RAM were fine however)

Can you not sell both sets and go for 2x2gb instead?

I could but I really dont want to, my rig seems working fine and I cant see any problems at the moment, I got ram at stock and its fine, its not even been pushed, been playing games etc.. aswell no probs.

londonbairn · 19 Dec 2007 at 23:23

willhub said:
I could but I really dont want to, my rig seems working fine and I cant see any problems at the moment, I got ram at stock and its fine, its not even been pushed, been playing games etc.. aswell no probs.

Fair play, I assumed you still had the problems. I always keep RAM at stock to avoid such problems.

DavidB · 19 Dec 2007 at 23:52

This is intresting news to me too, i just set the RAM to 2.2v as i thought that was stock (lowest needed ) volts for the RAM. Have had 2 sets of RAM fail so far so decreased my overclock and undervolted it to 2.1v....well what i thought was undervalting.

Now i'm running my RAM at 1.8v and will see how it goes, shame i learnt about this after i killed 2 sets of RAM, hope they dont fail at this voltage.