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[easyrider]

Off Topic:

Please Take Note! - Thread Trashing In Progress!

Gentleman,

I know your intentions are good but if you step back you will see that you are being drawn into a debate that is not based on any logic. Everyone is entitled to use whatever hardware they please (or want/need) and there is scope for everyone to co-exist side by side without treading on each others toes . . .

I cannot tell you what you should or should not do but if I could please ask that you step back and see you are being drawn into a discussion based specifically around what one single individual thinks is right or wrong, it may well be an attempted hijack and possible derailing. Please resist the bait as nothing good or meaningful will come from it but the thread is harmed and could be deleted . . .

You guys are quite able to make decisions for yourself, computing isn't about being a winner unless your a competitive benchmarker or gamer etc, as long as we each know we are getting a suitable piece of kit for out needs/budget then everyone is sweet!

Being a winner in these forums is about sharing your wealth of experience, helping others who may be having problems and contributing your unique and sacred viewpoint and generally just having a nice chatter etc!

Thank you!

Thread trashing?

I would argue that advising someone to upgrade from a Q6600 to a Athlon 620 is thread trashing.

Its discussion about PC hardware. Your post is arrogant and I have just as much right to offer my opinion as you regardless of wether you agree or not.

Thats what discussion is about.

You started a thread that invites discussion about AMD V intel and complain when people engage?

Then why start the thread in the first place?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=15826288&postcount=144

AMD® Athlon™ II X4 vs. Intel® Core™ i7


AMD® Athlon™ II X4 vs Intel® Core™ i7

 

[easyrider]

Bows head in shame, and apologises profusly.

I wouldn't apologise for engaging in a discussion based upong what the OP strated this very thread about.

 

[geekyEd]

Surely you should be comparing products based on benchmarks at specific price points. Just because AMD don't offer a product to compete with i7 doesn't mean you can compare there best effort and then say its soo much cheaper, when Intel also have midrange products.

I do however agree that i7 is a complete waste of cash for most of people that use it, thats why Im a midrange user myself, Im not paying £*** for i7 for 10 more FPS when I'm already getting 90FPS at my desired resolution in the games I play (my pc is for gaming). i7 really is a multitasking beast great for the home video encoder but I can think of little other uses for the hardware in the mainstream.

I will end as I started though, I don't see why this topic needed to be presented in an Intel vs AMD format, it would make more sense as "What does i7 give YOU over a midrange quad/dual core machine?" and possibly asking the question does the performance scale with the extra cost.

 

[easyrider]

Surely you should be comparing products based on benchmarks at specific price points. Just because AMD don't offer a product to compete with i7 doesn't mean you can compare there best effort and then say its soo much cheaper, when Intel also have midrange products.

Exactly

 

[Big.Wayne]

Surely you should be comparing products based on benchmarks at specific price points. Just because AMD don't offer a product to compete with i7 doesn't mean you can compare there best effort and then say its soo much cheaper

Hello BluZiff,

Thanks for your comments! . . . I do believe you may have missed the point though? . . . All I have done is present an Mid-Range system alongside a Flagship system and tried to demonstrate how for *some* people there will be no perceivable difference in the tasks they do . . . i.e they are not being *empowered* above and beyond what the midrange system offers!

The genuine power-users will obviously benefit from the increased power of the flagship system and therefore it makes perfect sense but if they are not gonna benefit then why are they paying such a huge 100% premium?

I don't see why this topic needed to be presented in an Intel vs AMD format

It isn't?

Although there is one single specific individual that is attempting to proke that?

it would make more sense as "What does i7 give YOU over a midrange quad/dual core machine?" and possibly asking the question does the performance scale with the extra cost.

That's exactly what I have done!

 

[moremoney]

Hello BluZiff,

Thanks for your comments! . . . I do believe you may have missed the point though? . . . All I have done is present an Mid-Range system alongside a Flagship system and tried to demonstrate how for *some* people there will be no perceivable difference in the tasks they do . . . i.e they are not being *empowered* above and beyond what the midrange system offers!

The genuine power-users will obviously benefit from the increased power of the flagship system and therefore it makes perfect sense but if they are not gonna benefit then why are they paying such a huge 100% premium?


It isn't?

Although there is one single specific individual that is attempting to proke that? This would not be the first forum he had been banned from.


That's exactly what I have done!

True.

There has been a slight derailment which i am sure can be corrected,but this thread is a good one and needs to stay open.

 

[easyrider]

Hello BluZiff,

Thanks for your comments! . . . I do believe you may have missed the point though? . . . All I have done is present an Mid-Range system alongside a Flagship system and tried to demonstrate how for *some* people there will be no perceivable difference in the tasks they do . . . i.e they are not being *empowered* above and beyond what the midrange system offers!

:

Then why not compare Midrange AMD and Mid Range intel at the same price points?

That way people can make a decision on whats the best kit to buy for the same outlay?

 

[moremoney]

Then why not compare Midrange AMD and Mid Range intel at the same price points?

That way people can make a decision on whats the best kit to buy for the same outlay?

Why are you being so obtuse. Or are you just trying to rile people up.

This is about what you can get for your money not what i can get for your money.

 

[Big.Wayne]

Off Topic:

moremoney please stop!

If someone feel passionate about something or has an important point to make then its really easy for them to create a new thread . . .

Don't take the bait!

 

[moremoney]

Off Topic:

moremoney please stop!

If someone feel passionate about something or has an important point to make then its really easy for them to create a new thread . . .

Don't take the bait!

Done.

Sometimes i just can't help myself.

I hate somone being picked on, not that you are, it just feels like it.

 

[easyrider]

Why are you being so obtuse. Or are you just trying to rile people up.

This is about what you can get for your money not what i can get for your money.

You're falling into Waynes Trap.

Making you think its me baiting when it actually him.

My point is a valid one. Budget and performance. Nothing obtuse in that.

Its about what you can get for your money.

 

[easyrider]

Done.

Sometimes i just can't help myself.

I hate somone being picked on, not that you are, it just feels like it.

Thats because the arguement is fundamentally flawed.

Please don't misinterpret discussion with trashing or baiting. Wayne can stick up for himself.

Wayne gives as good has he gets. But when it comes to running out of debate and ideas he calls upon the old chestnut of trashing and baiting.

 

[geekyEd]

To quote the OP

I just hope that more people become aware of the huge price premium intel are charging for products that do not empower you as much as you would believe and I hope to see more *enthusiasts* buying into AMD as IMHO they really do understand us better . . .

With a record sales forecast predicted this first quarter I can see why Paul is happy but . . . if you want cheaper Intel® products or design that you feel hits the spot then it's time to start buying AMD® . . . their products are better than you realise!

You were making perfect sense to me until the closing two paragraphs. They take the credibility from what you have posted about i7 being a waste of money for the majority and the argument that maybe Intel could be more accommodating to the midrange customers. Turning them into reasons to buying AMD which is where the thread became Intel vs AMD orientated.

They also sound overwhelming cheesy.

Also why shouldn't intel create a product that is the best, maybe if AMD weren't slacking so much they could put something out there to compete and bring the price of i7 down. It would obviously also help if more software was written to be truly multithreaded making the bang per buck more appealing.

Anyways bed time, will catch up with the thread in the morning.

 

[Big.Wayne]

Off Topic:

I hate somone being picked on

Hehe you big soppy git!

I cannot see or hear anything my learned friend is saying except via you guys and your quotes . . . I was gonna say I can't believe people are taking the bait but then I realised I have been suckered in many, many times before . . . I'll tell you one thing, he is very, very good at what he does but it really brings the Nutritional Value of a thread down!

The more people that take the bate the more the thread gets derailed and the harder the Don's have to work . . . . I don't want to be around when the Don's turn up because I fear The Ban-Hammer

 

[moremoney]

delete.

didn't like this post.

 

[coupe69]

I can't understand why certain individuals are getting so uptight about easyriders posts.
Most of you have been on the forum for long enough to know easys very straight to the point, some may say "abrupt" style of writing, and besides which he usually brings valid points to the table.

Big Wayne, whilst AMD have certainly been providing some good "bang for buck" hardware of late, I really don't think that you can totally dismiss Intels new range of hardware ie core i3.

I realise that some of the Athlons are cheaper, but let's be honest most people that come into the hardware section asking for specs generally have a set budget to work with.
If you can fit in better performing hardware for the money then surely that could also be considered "best bang for buck at a set price"?
At the end of the day it looks like Intel have another good chip on their hands and this time it's fairly reasonable priced to.

Whilst I enjoy reading your posts Big Wayne, I do find this particular thread to be perhaps just a teeny little bit biased towards AMD
I am definately with you on the fact that the majority of people will never need the core i7s power, but you do appear to be slighly blinkered on occasion

 

[easyrider]

I can't understand why certain individuals are getting so uptight about easyriders posts.
Most of you have been on the forum for long enough to know easys very straight to the point, some may say "abrupt" style of writing, and besides which he usually brings valid points to the table.

Big Wayne, whilst AMD have certainly been providing some good "bang for buck" hardware of late, I really don't think that you can totally dismiss Intels new range of hardware ie core i3.

I realise that some of the Athlons are cheaper, but let's be honest most people that come into the hardware section asking for specs generally have a set budget to work with.
If you can fit in better performing hardware for the money then surely that could also be considered "best bang for buck at a set price"?
At the end of the day it looks like Intel have another good chip on their hands and this time it's fairly reasonable priced to.

Whilst I enjoy reading your posts Big Wayne, I do find this particular thread to be perhaps just a teeny little bit biased towards AMD
I am definately with you on the fact that the majority of people will never need the core i7s power, but you do appear to be slighly blinkered on occasion

Hit the nail smack right in the middle there mate.I agree 100 %. Well put, and nicely thought out.

 

[Pendu]

It's truly remarkable that the original premise of this thread has gone completely over almost everyone's head.

 

[Big.Wayne]

Hey coupe69,

thanks for your comments . . . although I'm not sure if we are on the same page here? . . . lets run through this?

Big Wayne, whilst AMD have certainly been providing some good "bang for buck" hardware of late, I really don't think that you can totally dismiss Intels new range of hardware ie core i3

Let me ask you a question, out of these two chips which do you think is better from a performance point of view?

1. Intel® Core™ i3
2. Intel® Core™ i7

I can't say I've seen a comparison myself (although I'm sure they are out there) but my gut feeling is its chip #2, it is the big daddy right? . . . is that right or not? . . . have I assumed wrongly that chip number #2 offers superior performance levels in almost every way to chip #1

So I have put chip #2 next to the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 to demonstrate something . . . it's frighteningly obvious to me and a lot of other people reading this thread however it's passing you by completely . . . and this picture won't help you understand any better but I know some others will chuckle!

I am definately with you on the fact that the majority of people will never need the core i7s power, but you do appear to be slighly blinkered on occasion

I'm sure if you knew me a bit better coupe69 you would see just how wrong you were, calling me "Blinkered" is like calling Wolverine "a bit camp", it's like calling Darth-Vadar "a kind-hearted soul" . . . really!


Off Topic But Attempting To Become The Topic:

Most of you have been on the forum for long enough to know [Greebelly] very straight to the point, some may say "abrupt" style of writing, and besides which he usually brings valid points to the table

Live a little, spend your money how you want and **** AMD.

I don't want to settle for the DEAL I want 4ghz i7 with 8 threads and I don't care if it cost'e me two crappy AMD systems.

Until then AMD can go **** themselves....

20th Jan 2010, 21:38

coupe69 . . . I've had a bit of fun with this reply and I hope you take it in the spirit it was meant but I do not see this guy ever bringing "valid points to the table" . . . I'm not saying he doesn't but it just ain't happening in any threads that I'm involved with!

I can't believe how somebody can try so hard to trash a thread, omg it's just spam-spam-spam-spam-spam-spam it's just so obvious can't you see? . . .

 

[PhoenixUK]

You're falling into Waynes Trap.

Making you think its me baiting when it actually him.

My point is a valid one. Budget and performance. Nothing obtuse in that.

Its about what you can get for your money.

As long as you have a point that we could compare the intel build at same price point there is a one little problem with it ..... THERE ISN'T ANY.

Well you could get an e5200 and p35 mobo but as much as this is still powerful don't you think that an AM3 setup will not only perform better but just be a better choice overall ?

And on that build, Wayne even putted the expensive 4 core while where the best choice is are the tri cores. You get a 3.6-3.8ghz tri core or quad if you get lucky and unlock FOR JUST OVER 50QUID.

If you want only gaming, even the x2 performs just great and you can get some of the 240 chips up to 3.8-3.9ghz AND again can unlock a quad out of it - AND that's for just around 40quid ?? Even 2yr old 2nd hand E6600 sells for more.

So not only you save a lot of cash but you have a PC that does everything you want it to do without any trouble on newer socket with newest tech allowing you for **** cheap upgrade in the next year, two or whenever you will need it.

I'm sorry but intel just can not compete at that price point and if you only need to drive 10miles away through city where the max speed you can go is 25-30mph you don't need to buy a Ferrari or Bugatti ? It's not like you gonna drive 200mph in trafic ? Because that's exactly what you're trying to do when browsing net and playing cod4 on i7 OCed to 4ghz .