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5070 = 4090 for 499.

RanxZy said:
The 5070 Ti does look like it could be the sweet spot in the range. Very close specs to the 5080, while being a few hundred quid cheaper.
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not quite, IMO

5090 = 21760 cores @ 2.41GHz = $1999
5080 = 10752 cores @ 2.62GHz = $999
5070Ti = 8960 cores @ 2.45GHz = $749
5070 = 6144 cores @ 2.51GHz = $549

to me, it looks like prices scales nearly exactly linearly with the CUDA core count (and performance taking into account the clockspeeds), and possibly by extension, rasterisation performance
looks like gone are the days of lower-end sweet-spot value for money and the halo price premium
given that the 5090 has 32GB VRAM, it may actually be the best buy lol, and no I'm not going to buy a 5090
 
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tamzzy said:
not quite, IMO

5090 = 21760 cores @ 2.41GHz = $1999
5080 = 10752 cores @ 2.62GHz = $999
5070Ti = 8960 cores @ 2.45GHz = $749
5070 = 6144 cores @ 2.51GHz = $549

to me, it looks like prices scales nearly exactly linearly with the CUDA (rasterisation) performance
looks like gone are the days of lower-end sweet-spot value for money and the halo price premium
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We'll see when the official raster benchmarks are out.

With the specs so close I wouldn't be surprised if the 5080 is only about 10% faster than the 5070 Ti apples to apples - while the costing over 20% more.
 
RanxZy said:
We'll see when the official raster benchmarks are out.

With the specs so close I wouldn't be surprised if the 5080 is only about 10% faster than the 5070 Ti apples to apples - while the costing over 20% more.
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my guess is that the 5080 will be 20-25% faster (at a 33% price increase)
 
tamzzy said:
my guess is that the 5080 will be 20-25% faster (at a 33% price increase)
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It only has a 20% core count bump and a 6% speed bump in clock speed and memory bandwidth.

It's rare that these work out as 1:1 with raster performance (IE it normally comes in lower) so I'm only expecting it to be 15% or so faster based on the specs.

This is unless the AI tops makes a significant difference.


Will have to wait till reviews come out, but as they have the same amount of vram, I don't think the 5080 is going to be worth it over the 5070ti.

Nvidia really should have bumped the 5080 vram to 20 GB at least, and given both the 5070 and 5070ti 16gb.
 
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Jono8 said:
It only has a 20% core count bump and a 6% speed bump in clock speed and memory bandwidth.
It's rare that these work out as 1:1 with raster performance (IE it normally comes in lower) so I'm only expecting it to be 15% or so faster based on the specs.
This is unless the AI tops makes a significant difference.
Will have to wait till reviews come out, but as they have the same amount of vram, I don't think the 5080 is going to be worth it over the 5070ti.
Nvidia really should have bumped the 5080 vram to 20 GB at least, and given both the 5070 and 5070ti 16gb.
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ah yeah, good point
and yeah, all now is theorycrafting/speculating
bring on the new cards lol
 
Benass said:
Im so getting cheap 4090 right now.
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I dont think those words will ever ring true in that sentence.

4090's will be scarce which will drive up the price, judging by OCUK website they are out of stock. Long gone are the days when the old version would be sold off cheaper as the same stock levels are not around anymore.
I expect the 2nd hand market to be the same. 5090's will disappear out of stock so 4090's will be high.

Wait 3-4 years then you might get a cheap one.
 
RanxZy said:
We'll see when the official raster benchmarks are out.

With the specs so close I wouldn't be surprised if the 5080 is only about 10% faster than the 5070 Ti apples to apples - while the costing over 20% more.
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It also looks like 5080 might be about 10% faster than 4080S. Nvidia cheekily shown comparison to only base old models (not Super), where 5000 series looks good for the same price. But comparing them to Super, the 5000 series has lower clocks, only few % more CUDA cores, barely any increase in RT cores and the only actual change is AI performance.

Now, fun fact, NVidia claim new DLSS 4 MFG uses purely AI, no more hardware optical flow accelerators - even the update that will go to 4000 series. Not only that means 3000 series should get FG (nothing in hardware stops it anymore) but 4000 series should be able to run MFG, as even on NVIDIA's own materials 4090 has more AI performance than 5070 for example, yet 5070 gets it and 4090 is too slow? That's the main total marketing BS by NVidia - they don't even have the excuse in hardware anymore, it's pure software block this time, it seems. When AMD did such things in the past, always big outburst of the populous and forcing AMD to change their approach, but NVidia gets a pass it seems.
 
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varkanoid said:
I dont think those words will ever ring true in that sentence.

4090's will be scarce which will drive up the price, judging by OCUK website they are out of stock.
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Enough to check auctions - initially I've seen some panic-sellers pushing theirs closer to £1k but now it's back to where it was between £1400-£1800. There's no sign of prices dropping anytime soon. What's more, few hardware youtubers started to advise their viewers it might be better for them to get cheaper used 4000 series than any of the 5000 series, as they don't believe anymore 5000 series is any significant upgrade worth spending monies on if one has a choice. It seems they are switching to similar opinion when 2000 series was released comparing to 1000 series - it just wasn't worth it.
 
@Tinek Yeah, it's a lot of creative deception in their marketing charts, which is the norm for NVIDIA at launch.

Understand this makes a lot of people extra sceptical, now thinking the performance will be lackluster vs Ada.
 
AMD wanted to wait for Nvidia to shoot first but they might end up hamstrung by the way Nvidia has framed (pun intended) their numbers. What does AMD do now? Focus on raster? It can always be spun as a defeat because the normies will still be thinking 5070 = 4090.
 
tamzzy said:
not quite, IMO

5090 = 21760 cores @ 2.41GHz = $1999
5080 = 10752 cores @ 2.62GHz = $999
5070Ti = 8960 cores @ 2.45GHz = $749
5070 = 6144 cores @ 2.51GHz = $549

to me, it looks like prices scales nearly exactly linearly with the CUDA core count (and performance taking into account the clockspeeds), and possibly by extension, rasterisation performance
looks like gone are the days of lower-end sweet-spot value for money and the halo price premium
given that the 5090 has 32GB VRAM, it may actually be the best buy lol, and no I'm not going to buy a 5090
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5070TI if you're on a budget (lol), 5090 if not.

The rest of the lineup is cack, granted we need to see reviews but I'm not expecting my opinion to change.

Nobody with a smidgen of knowledge is buying a 12gb card for that price, the "5070" is basically the new X060, it should have been the 5060.
 
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Gray2233 said:
I've heard more than one rumour that it's 5-10% at best, it's basically a refresh with some "features" added.
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NVidia's bet seems to be the AI stuff, which 5000 series is even 3x faster at than 4000 series (on paper). Currently there's nothing out there that would be using it and knowing how this works, there won't be widely spread in games for few more years, even if it was all ready for production tomorrow. By the time it shows up we'll be talking about 6000 series. Hence, to me what always counts most is what's available now, not promises about the future (as a reminder, 2k series buyers didn't see much of the RT at all for a long time).
 
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