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5090 Price

CuriousTomCat said:
They tried lowering prices before. The RX 580 was much cheaper and faster, yet the GTX 1060 became the best selling card ever. If the consumer doesn't care about the cost or the performance, then it's all about the brand, which is so sad.
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I'd wager most consumers don't care about brand at all. Nvidia is just the default option.

Take a look at the OCUK prebuilt section for instance:
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There are almost more prebuilts that feature a 4060 in them than the entire AMD lineup.
You buy a gaming laptop? Nvidia.

The amount of consumers that actually know what an AMD Radeon even is vs parents just buying a prebuilt gaming PC for their kid from OCUK or some highstreet place or whatever must be miniscule.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The PS5 PRO uses an RTX4070/RX7800XT class dGPU. But it also uses RT features from RDNA4.

The B580 is barely an RX6700XT class card and the PS5 used an RX6650XT/RX6700 level dGPU with upto 12GB of VRAM.

The PS5 digital has been available frequently for under £350 now and many people I know just play single player games on theirs. I have also noticed in the last two years games frequently now cheaper on consoles.

I never had a PlayStation or XBox myself,but the stagnation in PC dGPU pricing in the mainstream has messed up things a lot.

The RTX4070 should have been the RTX4060TI we got at under £400.
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But it still has a very weak CPU which limits framerates in a lot of games and to me the online fee negates any value aspect. If you end up paying hundreds for online over the consoles lifespan you might as well just pay the initial extra for a better specced PC.

Not to mention older gen games locked at 30fps, 7th gen games streamed etc is a bit of a joke. 4070 is also discontinued/obsolete so you will be able to fit in a 5060ti/5070 instead in a few weeks so we'll have to see how they stack up.
 
Ascendancy said:
I'd wager most consumers don't care about brand at all. Nvidia is just the default option.

Take a look at the OCUK prebuilt section for instance:
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There are almost more prebuilts that feature a 4060 in them than the entire AMD lineup.
You buy a gaming laptop? Nvidia.

The amount of consumers that actually know what an AMD Radeon even is vs parents just buying a prebuilt gaming PC for their kid from OCUK or some highstreet place or whatever must be miniscule.
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The problem for AMD is they are seen by the consumer as a budget brand but with premium pricing, when you are paying a premium price then common sense dictates you go for the premium brand which is Nvidia.
 
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Joxeon said:
The problem for AMD is they are seen by the consumer as a budget brand but with premium pricing, when you are paying a premium price then common sense dictates you go for the premium brand which is Nvidia.
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i dont think amd is considered a budget brand anymore, if they make a GPU that can match a 5090 they can very easily match nvidia's price, but it seems they dont have the knowhow to build such highend GPUs, so fundamentally speaking they have been outinnovated by nvidia, its a very bad position to be in
 
greatash said:
At £800 budget it's pretty easy. Remember the PS5 pro is still using a 3600 CPU equivalent which is very low end nowadays, even a 5600 that goes for around £80 blows it away and the extra £100 is easily made up for with no online fees.
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I'm not so sure, even compared to an RTX 3070 or Intel B580, Alan Wake 2 and Helldivers 2 etc will look far better on the PS5 Pro, won't run well at all at 4K on a cheaper PC. We've got all kind of systems, and in comparison and unless your spending more than £1000, with a decent GPU the PC will look worse than a PS5 Pro imho.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
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"Prebuilt desktops with an RTX4060 are £600 to £700. To get a prebuilt gamig PC better than a PS5 PRO,you would need to spend around £1000 or more.

Console hardware due to its fixed nature can be optimised better than PC and that was from me talking to some games devs myself. People are not taking into consideration Windows and the additional driver overhead - at launch Ada Lovelace test systems needed a CPU upgrade. The consoles also use fixed function hardware to offload some of their functions."
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This is my thinking too, would need to be more than £1000 to really match the kind of visuals a PS5 pro is capable of.
 
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SimonRigga said:
if you do get given one, please feel free to pass it on, as i'd love one for free.. ;)
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I'll keep that in mind. I bought a PS4 so I could play The Last of Us. Headshots with a controller are a frustrating and stressful experience so I gave up years ago. I refuse to use aim assist because it's cheating. It's worth buying an expensive PC just for the mouse.
 
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CuriousTomCat said:
Why are people moaning about GPU cost vs a PS5 in a 5090 thread of all places. I'd still choose a PC if the PS5 was given away free.
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Fair enough, back on topic.

The anticipated performance specifications for the RTX 5090 are as follows:

  • GPU Architecture: Blackwell GB202-300
  • Memory: 32GB GDDR7
  • TGP: 600W
  • Power Delivery Design: 16+6+7
  • Power Connector: 12V-2×6 (16-pin)
  • Interface: PCIe 5.0
From >> https://9meters.com/technology/grap...-power-delivery-beast-for-extreme-performance

Looks like an absolute monster! I look forward to enjoying it vicariously through you guys :D
 
Considering actual TGP lf 4090 is around 400w, let's say 5090's actual usage peaks at 500w. What sort of PSU are we thinking is needed for a typical system with:

7800x3d
x670e
32gb ddr5
2x 2TB NVMe SSDs
5x 120mm case fans
Etc.

Will a quality 1000w single rail do her?
 
harmattan said:
Considering actual TGP lf 4090 is around 400w, let's say 5090's actual usage peaks at 500w. What sort of PSU are we thinking is needed for a typical system with:

7800x3d
x670e
32gb ddr5
2x 2TB NVMe SSDs
5x 120mm case fans
Etc.

Will a quality 1000w single rail do her?
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I thought the TGP was leaked at 600W?

Mind you a leak is a leak.

E:
www.tweaktown.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 to use 16+6+7 power stage design, 14-layer PCB, huge 600W TGP

NVIDIA's ultra-enthusiast GeForce RTX 5090 features 16+6+7 phase power design, 14-layer PCB, and up to a 600W TGP for custom RTX 5090 32GB cards.
www.tweaktown.com www.tweaktown.com

E: E: Ah probably only on some designs. Ignore me.
 
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adidan said:
I thought the TGP was leaked at 600W?

Mind you a leak is a leak.

E:
www.tweaktown.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 to use 16+6+7 power stage design, 14-layer PCB, huge 600W TGP

NVIDIA's ultra-enthusiast GeForce RTX 5090 features 16+6+7 phase power design, 14-layer PCB, and up to a 600W TGP for custom RTX 5090 32GB cards.
www.tweaktown.com www.tweaktown.com

E: E: Ah probably only on some designs. Ignore me.
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There's always undervolting. People undervolted the 4090 to lower costs so I guess there's nothing stopping them from doing the same on the 5090.
 
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CuriousTomCat said:
There's always undervolting. People undervolted the 4090 to lower costs so I guess there's nothing stopping them from doing the same on the 5090.
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My reasoning for 5090's TGP to "only" be 500w dispite its rumoured 600w is 4090's official TGP was 450w, but we know actual usage is much less. My OC'd 4090 Strix never went much above 350w.

Essentially, should those of us with 1000w PSUs be looking to upgrade to 1200w (...as ridiculous as that would be)?
 
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harmattan said:
My reasoning for 5090's TGP to "only" be 500w dispite its rumoured 600w is 4090's official TGP was 450w, but we know actual usage is much less. My OC'd 4090 Strix never went much above 350w.

Essentially, should those of us with 1000w PSUs be looking to upgrade to 1200w (...as ridiculous as that would be)?
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Personally I wouldn't base my trust on a leak that somebody posted on a forum. When you get the 5090, check how much power it's using. Take it easy at first and gradually start to stress it. If it gets too close, upgrade.
 
harmattan said:
Essentially, should those of us with 1000w PSUs be looking to upgrade to 1200w (...as ridiculous as that would be)?
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I went 1500W -- you know, to be safe ;) (more that I wanted to move to atx 3.1 and 1500w nzxt was the best pick)

I've seen rumours that it'll be over the 450w envelope of the 4090 - but I've not actually seen any firm values for what its TDP will actually be. All we really know is 600W would be the max with just one 12vhwpwr connector... I'd work on 600w as being the "worst case scenario" -- add up the requirement for the rest of your components and add 600 to it..
I think the next highest power requirement would be the CPU - the worst offender I could find (at a quick search) was the 14900k pulling about 200W (with an OC). So worst case you're already up to 800w - luckily though the rest of the components don't really have huge draws so unless you have an insane amount of hdds and enough rgb to make your PC look brighter than the sun, you ought to fit within the 1000w really..
 
Joxeon said:
The problem for AMD is they are seen by the consumer as a budget brand but with premium pricing, when you are paying a premium price then common sense dictates you go for the premium brand which is Nvidia.
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If AMD want to be seen as premium brand they need to take performance crown consistently for a few gens and also provide better software.

They can't do either. But want to be seen as premium. Doesn't work that way.
 
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