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5800x to 5800x3D?

BUDFORCE

BUDFORCE

BUDFORCE

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This keeps itching at me.

I currently have a 5800x, MSI x570 board, 64gb 3600 RAM, AMD 7900xt, 1440p, 144hz monitor

System works great and has done for years.

It does everything I need really but....... There are two games PUBG and Cities Skylines 2 that I play that I know will benefit, even wuth the above system, my PUBG will drop down to maybe 100fps in action, down from 144 is somewhat significant.

And cities skylines 2 will literally eat whatever resources you can throw at it.

However, I'm trying to weigh it up, and as much as there are benefits, I also see a lot of negatives.

- my current 5800x CPU is a good one, it'll boost 5 GHz on all cores and doesn't go over 75c
- my current system is completely stable
- I'd would need to flash my bios, and there is always a risk doing that
- risk of changing hardware, damaging something etc - I am pretty experienced but there is always a risk
- risk of new CPU being a lemon (as in, bad batch/faulty)
- time (yes sounds lazy but taking your time to do it this will be a few hours)
- cost
- how ****** off with myself I will be if I do go ahead and something goes wrong


But........ I plan on keeping my system for years to come, this will ensure my current gen is basically maxed/future proofed as much as possible.

I need help!!!!!!!!
 
I can let you know in about a week or so.

I gave into this itch just this week and have a board arriving for a 7800X3D this week. I'm upgrading from a 5900x so if you don't get any clear answers I'm hoping to build the new system next weekend, I play PUBG to so will be the first game I test.

As the 5800X3D isn't far behind the 7800X3D should be a good indication for you.
 
BUDFORCE said:
This keeps itching at me.

I currently have a 5800x, MSI x570 board, 64gb 3600 RAM, AMD 7900xt, 1440p, 144hz monitor

System works great and has done for years.

It does everything I need really but....... There are two games PUBG and Cities Skylines 2 that I play that I know will benefit, even wuth the above system, my PUBG will drop down to maybe 100fps in action, down from 144 is somewhat significant.

And cities skylines 2 will literally eat whatever resources you can throw at it.

However, I'm trying to weigh it up, and as much as there are benefits, I also see a lot of negatives.

- my current 5800x CPU is a good one, it'll boost 5 GHz on all cores and doesn't go over 75c
- my current system is completely stable
- I'd would need to flash my bios, and there is always a risk doing that
- risk of changing hardware, damaging something etc - I am pretty experienced but there is always a risk
- risk of new CPU being a lemon (as in, bad batch/faulty)
- time (yes sounds lazy but taking your time to do it this will be a few hours)
- cost
- how ****** off with myself I will be if I do go ahead and something goes wrong


But........ I plan on keeping my system for years to come, this will ensure my current gen is basically maxed/future proofed as much as possible.

I need help!!!!!!!!
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I did this and it is really game dependent. Most games will see big differences with your minimum frame rates. Supreme commander saw a performance drop. But it’s single threaded and loves clock speed. I saw a very slight improvement with higher frame rates at the res I play. I sold on my 5800x to cushion the costs. Over all go for it. The other thing I did is use pbo negative offsets so it runs cool as well.
 
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I did this when my 5800X died, so i bought a 5800x3d to replace. So it wasnt really a concious decision to replace! It didnt cost me much as the original processor was still in warranty so i could sell the replacement as new.
I am pleased with the upgrade and everything is smoother with better minimums so less noticable frame rate drops. Its not earth shattering but a nice upgrade, if you plan on keeping for several years then its worth doing i would say.
 
Same position as yours, except I have a 3080 fe, forcing myself to wait for the 9800x3d and new boards, will also get the 5 series NVIDIA card when released (probably 5070).

Given I game at 1440p 165mhz max that will probably do me for good (I’m 56)
 
BUDFORCE said:
risk of changing hardware, damaging something etc - I am pretty experienced but there is always a risk
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dont let that stop you, Im constantly fiddling with my system and the only thing that ever broke was a RAM slot years ago.
 
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I’ve fried 2 ram slots and broken one. The broken one didn’t impact the other slots.

Most other things have strangely remained safe.
 
I went 5800x to 5800x3D and I feel it has been worth it. With a bit of negative curve optimizer and some tweaks to the power budget to rein in the wattage you can get some very good numbers in applications that don't care about the cache and in gaming well, it's very noticeable. I don't regret it one bit.
 
Considering the price of the retail 5800X3D is still nearly £300 you can get on AM5 for that especially when you factor in selling the AM4 board and ram.

You can however import a 5700X3D for under £130 which would be what I’d do if I was planning to stay on AM4
 
BUDFORCE said:
I plan on keeping my system for years to come, this will ensure my current gen is basically maxed/future proofed as much as possible.
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Joxeon said:
You can however import a 5700X3D for under £130 which would be what I’d do if I was planning to stay on AM4
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I do not plan to upgrade my system any time soon so i did the same CPU swap (was cheaper then though).

The 5700x3d is good alternative if you can get it at/near that price.
 
Joxeon said:
You can however import a 5700X3D for under £130 which would be what I’d do if I was planning to stay on AM4
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I think I can see where that's from, price is before tax. Is that a trust worthy way to get the CPU though considering warranties?

I wanted to get a 5800x3d but no stock anywhere and prices keep rising.
 
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Joe Jones said:
I think I can see where that's from, price is before tax. Is that a trust worthy way to get the CPU though considering warranties?

I wanted to get a 5800x3d but no stock anywhere and prices keep rising.
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Its around £127 with code after tax, obviously its more risky but a CC will mitigate that.

5800X3D is a rip off, its on a much older cheaper process than the 7800X3D yet nearly the same price, seems like its priced to extract the maximum for those looking at saving money by staying on AM4.
 
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I went from a 5700X to a 5700X3D (I also have a 7900 XT GPU) for the relatively subtle benefit in games like Cyberpunk, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, and whatever in the future.

I have no idea about PUBG. I heard Cities Skylines 2 flipped the script, becoming GPU dependent, whereas Cities Skylines 1 was massively CPU dependent (and benefitting from the X3D's V-Cache).

Otherwise, all of your stated fears are psychological and worth getting over. I had similar fears myself upgrading, but learned the odds of things going wrong with hardware changing / BIOS flashing are minimal in this day and age, so long as you're reasonably competent and cautious, and sounds like you'll have the latter in abundance.
 
Those talking of £130 5700X3D's are obviously referring to 'the express' marketplace in China. I wouldn't touch those personally. You can get fake 4090's that are actually 3080s from there with convincingly laser reprinted text on the chipsets / fake HSFs / re-flashed bios etc. I assume it'll be no trouble at all for illicit sellers to rebrand a 5700X, 3700X, 2700X, or 1700X to say '5700X3D' on the chip, and unfortunately many won't even realise.

This is the only way that discount business model works in my mind anyway, for a chip that is always £200+ from UK retailers.
 
Plenty of people have got them with no issues in fact I’d rather go for one of those than the UK retailer who sends you an empty box or some Waitrose groceries like one member on here recently received.
 
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Those talking of £130 5700X3D's are obviously referring to 'the express' marketplace in China. I wouldn't touch those personally. You can get fake 4090's that are actually 3080s from there with convincingly laser reprinted text on the chipsets / fake HSFs / re-flashed bios etc. I assume it'll be no trouble at all for illicit sellers to rebrand a 5700X, 3700X, 2700X, or 1700X to say '5700X3D' on the chip, and unfortunately many won't even realise.

This is the only way that discount business model works in my mind anyway, for a chip that is always £200+ from UK retailers.
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You can look at the feedback and reviews posted from others
 
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