5D mkiii or D800?

Well I have decided to go the Nikon route , I have a 24-120 f4 lens coming for my upcoming trip to Thailand

Now the question is d800 or d600? heheh

I can get a d800 for £1670 or the d600 for £1100 , I'm so undecided as they both have their pros and cons , I'd like the higher sync rate, faster shutter,better af and micro adjustment of the d800 but not sure if it's worth paying an extra £570 for those , the 600 is smaller,lighter faster frame rate , smaller filesizes and a lot cheaper...

Decisions decisions
 
Well I have decided to go the Nikon route , I have a 24-120 f4 lens coming for my upcoming trip to Thailand

Now the question is d800 or d600? heheh

I can get a d800 for £1670 or the d600 for £1100 , I'm so undecided as they both have their pros and cons , I'd like the higher sync rate, faster shutter,better af and micro adjustment of the d800 but not sure if it's worth paying an extra £570 for those , the 600 is smaller,lighter faster frame rate , smaller filesizes and a lot cheaper...

Decisions decisions

Get a canon
 
Both camera's are ridiculously good, neither will make you a better photographer..

What you have to do is ask yourself is what kind of photographer you are and then base your decision on the camera that has the most pro's for your work.

There are so many stupid comments about sharpness of lenses and how one manufacturer is better than the other.. I could pick 2 fantastic pictures off of 500px and ask you to tell me the camera used and guarantee no one could tell one from another.

What makes a great photograph is "light and composition"... unfortunately, they don't come with the camera.

I've seen pictures taken with the nifty fifty that are outstanding, I've also seen people who own £20,000 worth of camera equipment and don't understand the relationship between shutter speed, aperture and ISO...using AV all the time!..:eek:

In essence what I am saying is it really does not matter, not one iota..
 
It is way to easy to get bogged down in the gear instead of taking pictures...I'd say get whatever is the best deal, you can take just as bad a picture with each of Canon, Nikon, Sony etc.
 
Both camera's are ridiculously good, neither will make you a better photographer..

What you have to do is ask yourself is what kind of photographer you are and then base your decision on the camera that has the most pro's for your work.

There are so many stupid comments about sharpness of lenses and how one manufacturer is better than the other.. I could pick 2 fantastic pictures off of 500px and ask you to tell me the camera used and guarantee no one could tell one from another.

What makes a great photograph is "light and composition"... unfortunately, they don't come with the camera.

I've seen pictures taken with the nifty fifty that are outstanding, I've also seen people who own £20,000 worth of camera equipment and don't understand the relationship between shutter speed, aperture and ISO...using AV all the time!..:eek:

In essence what I am saying is it really does not matter, not one iota..

I agree to a certain point as I've got some nice shots with my phone and compacts over the years but having better tools that make it easier to get that shot or provide a better overall quality of image are important too

I vaguely recall Kai saying the d600 did have micro adjust, it's just called something different (just as a heads up)

kd

I will check that out , although not essential I feel it's a worthwhile feature to have
 
I agree to a certain point as I've got some nice shots with my phone and compacts over the years but having better tools that make it easier to get that shot or provide a better overall quality of image are important too

When using the 5Dmk3 or the D800... both tools are superb, that's why its a non issue in that regard.
 
It is way to easy to get bogged down in the gear instead of taking pictures...I'd say get whatever is the best deal, you can take just as bad a picture with each of Canon, Nikon, Sony etc.

I still take photos ,I have an nex kit ATM , it's decent enough but I soon found it limited for me after a few trips out, it's very handy though given its size and weight
 
When using the 5Dmk3 or the D800... both tools are superb, that's why its a non issue in that regard.

Yeah although I do think price wise the d800 has the edge as its a lot cheaper now v the 5d than when I created this thread, but now there is also the d600 to contend with.

I think I'm swaying towards the d600 as I'm not sure the extra sync speed,shutter speed or the focus system in real world usage warrants me spending an extra £5-600

I guess I'm just trying to justify to myself to be sensible and not to spend more than I need to haha
 
Both camera's are ridiculously good, neither will make you a better photographer..

What you have to do is ask yourself is what kind of photographer you are and then base your decision on the camera that has the most pro's for your work.

What makes a great photograph is "light and composition"... unfortunately, they don't come with the camera.

I don't think I'v actually come across anyone yet who actually believes buying a camera, equates to buying photographic skill, yet I see this silly phrase banded around by people who are noobs themselves.
Can you buy better quality pictures.. Yes. For example it should be obvious a natural light portrait will likely look better (to most) on a wide open prime than at 5.6 on a kit lens.
A low light portrait, will likely look better on a 5d3 than a 10d. Obvious is obvious.

Note:
The above assumes the photographer meets the minimum threshold of being able to point aim and click.

Your second sentence (from the first quote) however makes sense but is redundant, as I think it's clear that is actually what the Op is already trying to do.

There are so many stupid comments about sharpness of lenses and how one manufacturer is better than the other.. I could pick 2 fantastic pictures off of 500px and ask you to tell me the camera used and guarantee no one could tell one from another.

Especially at web res.. **bangs head against wall**


I've seen pictures taken with the nifty fifty that are outstanding, I've also seen people who own £20,000 worth of camera equipment and don't understand the relationship between shutter speed, aperture and ISO...using AV all the time!..:eek:

Firstly.. who was this person, what camera gear were they using and were they new to photography?

Secondly it's not really that taxing to understand the exposure triangle. It's something I could teach someone in a short time.

I started off similar to you. Shooting full manual, feeling proud of myself that could control every aspect of the exposure. Setting my base ISO, choosing my aperture for the required DOF, dialing in the shutter speed to control the ambient, upping the flash power until I was happy with the overall exposure. I can still hear Zach Arias in my head repeating "Aperture controls flash exposure".

Time moves on and tastes change. Now I'm shooting natural light in Av + Auto ISO 95%. I can't remember the last time I shot full manual, it's hardly necessary for everyone.

In essence what I am saying is it really does not matter, not one iota..

Huh? but in your 2nd sentence in the first quote you said...

Do you actually even practice what you preach, are you running around with entry gear because your enlightened and know it doesn't matter one iota?

No.. your shooting with a 5D3!
Why?
Looking at your flickr, you have control of light (flash) so you don't need good ISO. Your not shooting shallow DOF's, so don't need the added control of DOF that FF brings. Nor do you need a fancy AF system.
In fact you pretty much don't need anything special that the 5D3 brings to the table over a 550D + Nifty Fifty.


Do you not see the irony here?
What happened.. did you mistakenly buy a 5D3 thinking it was going to make you a better photographer?
 
If you can afford it, get the best you can afford, if anything, it remove the urge to upgrade which is costly.

This.

It's why I went with D800E's over D800's. Compared to the D800, the D800E isn't good value and doesn't offer very much more performance. However it worked out more cost effective to buy D800E's now, instead of upgrading later from D800's when I undoubtably get the itch.
At least now I can go about my business not even concerning myself with upgrades, at least until the next major refresh.
I can't remember ever regretting buying the 'best' of something, but there has been plenty of times I cheaped out and regretted it.

In this spirit, I would opt for the D800 over the D600 if possible.
 
"An exception"
Did I write something offensive?
Why such a negative response...

Firstly we are discussing the canon 5D mk3 and the D800.. Not the 10d or 550d.

Both cameras are full frame, have amazing resolution and you can create huge prints from either as you know, so why bang your head against the wall... I never mentioned the 10d or 550d..

In terms of the lenses debate and what is sharper, Nikon or Canon as mentioned above

Nikon and Canon lenses that are matched on aperture, focal length and price have equally good results. It's folly to think that buying one over the other will give you more.. The Canon 70-200 f2.8 mk 2 is said to be a smidgen sharper than its Nikon equivalent.. but these are scientific tests and no one could tell one from the other in 99 percent of real world scenario's

Was it the comment I made about AV mode that got you so worked up. What I was inferring is its imperative to know your gear..that's all (see flippant)


Great pictures can be taken with either lens...(referring to the Nikon vs Canon lenses comment)... *My other point was there are people who have lots of gear but haven't learned the basics...this was a *flippant* but factual statement, nothing more... I didn't mean it to be offensive.

Why did I buy the Mark 3...

Well, I'm a video guy.. and it's the best DSLR camera for HD video because it doesn't suffer from aliasing and Moire, it has fantastic ISO performance..and it renders a beautiful full frame image.

I don't feel "proud" of myself because I shoot manual, I have no choice other than to shoot manual. I have to shoot 1/50 for the 180 to get 23.976 fps.

I will stand by what I said, it will not matter what you decide to use when choosing one of the higher end full frame camera's, they are both awesome and the Nikon and Canon equivalent lenses will render beautiful results on both camera's.. The sharpness of each manufacturers equivalent lens is negligible..

If he was asking should I buy a 550d or D800, my "opinion" would have been different.

Of coarse my answer would have been, always buy Canon :p
 
Decided and have bought a d600 2nd hand as I felt the 800 didn't offer me any real advantage for the extra £700 I'd have had to fork out

It should be here tomorrow along with an sb700 and I've already got a 24-120 f4 waiting to go on it ready for my upcoming holiday , having owned a 5dc a few years ago i cant wait to have a good play with it , im excited like a little kid heheheh
 
Decided and have bought a d600 2nd hand as I felt the 800 didn't offer me any real advantage for the extra £700 I'd have had to fork out

It should be here tomorrow along with an sb700 and I've already got a 24-120 f4 waiting to go on it ready for my upcoming holiday , having owned a 5dc a few years ago i cant wait to have a good play with it , im excited like a little kid heheheh

U might regret it and wished u spent extra
 
Decided and have bought a d600 2nd hand as I felt the 800 didn't offer me any real advantage for the extra £700 I'd have had to fork out

im excited like a little kid heheheh

Enjoy the camera and take loads of pretty photos with it.
 
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