A chip designed around high performance.
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5Ghz Amd & Intel (speculation topic)
- Thread starter geordiejc
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A chip designed around high performance.
I think he is suggesting high clockspeed unlimited power.....never going to happen, clocks won't rise, as it struggles to be power efficient, what works in mobile PC, works full stop.
more likely to see a core mix ala biglittle on ARM.
It could happen. The tree huggers would get upset but Intel already build chips that are performance focused. Some of the Xeons are beasts and those chips are still well and truly shackled.
And the current are not?
The current AMD CPU's are scaled down server CPU's so is that what you are looking for?
What like the Pentium 4?
Overpriced "laptop" designs work everywhere - in laptops (funnily enough), servers (where power/performance efficiency is a big deal), and on the desktop where PC manufacturers are pushed towards "greener" devices (hence the continuing introduction of new standards like energy star, 80+ rated PSUs etc)
They never have been and never will be - money is made from volume parts sold to Dell and HP.
What I'm looking for depends on what I'm doing and how long I need to do it for.
What like the Pentium 4?
Overpriced "laptop" designs work everywhere - in laptops (funnily enough), servers (where power/performance efficiency is a big deal), and on the desktop where PC manufacturers are pushed towards "greener" devices (hence the continuing introduction of new standards like energy star, 80+ rated PSUs etc)
They never have been and never will be - money is made from volume parts sold to Dell and HP.
I was waiting for a p4 comparison as to why the desktop design is futile
That chip was built and pushed through by accounts. Although even the P4 design showed a lot of potential. Anyone remember Pentium D 805? That was a hell of a chip for £70.
OK, i'll rephrase.
Would a scaled down intel server CPU fit your idea of "a chip designed around high performance"?
No. Not with Intels current design brief. That's not to say a Xeon design is inherently poor for enthusiasts.
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Then what would?
Many would argue that the current lineup are already designed around high performance.
Then they'd be wrong.
What is it that makes a " true desktop chip designed around high performance" in your eyes?
I was waiting for a p4 comparison as to why the desktop design is futile
That chip was built and pushed through by accounts. Although even the P4 design showed a lot of potential. Anyone remember Pentium D 805? That was a hell of a chip for £70.
The P4 wasn't built by accounts - at the time high clock speed was seen as the way forward (and unfortunately turned out to not be the answer). The Pentium D whilst good value for the consumer was no more than a emergency response, and subsidized in order to try and maintain some market share (at a time where Athlon X2's were selling strongly)
The days of a specific "desktop performance" chip are long gone - there simply isn't the need (from the overall market) for one.
I was working for Intel back then. Lots of engineers resigned becuase the board was made up of stupid accountants. The P4 was pushed though by accounts.
Intel will do nothing unless their market share in servers and OEM's changes significantly.
Intel policy like most tech giants is do as little as possible as cheaply as possible but talk a lot and loud, again unless AMD start selling their Chips to datacenters and people like Dell for Laptops, Desktops and Workstations Intel will just continue to send re-branded slightly tweaked CPU's to reviewers and tell them how to benchmark them and what to say about them, or in other words: carry on as usual.
People in forums like this account for about 1% of Intel's revenue, even if AMD took over everyone who frequents forums like this Intel wouldn't even notice.
That's the reality.
Intel policy like most tech giants is do as little as possible as cheaply as possible but talk a lot and loud, again unless AMD start selling their Chips to datacenters and people like Dell for Laptops, Desktops and Workstations Intel will just continue to send re-branded slightly tweaked CPU's to reviewers and tell them how to benchmark them and what to say about them, or in other words: carry on as usual.
People in forums like this account for about 1% of Intel's revenue, even if AMD took over everyone who frequents forums like this Intel wouldn't even notice.
That's the reality.
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Yeah sad times. Although if Ryzen hammered coffee lake in sales and AMD drive a resurgence and continue to grow the desktop market Intel might take note. I suppose anyone who's actually interested in the enthusiast platform should buy AMD products.
I think people should buy whatever they want... but i also think reviewers should take their responsibilities to inform people correctly and fairly as absolute. Unfortunately a lot of the big mane ones just don't, for them its a huge business and its all about maximising revenue, Like Toms Hardware blatantly setting up their criteria for "best CPU" so that only Intel could win right across the board and even then still didn't by their own calculations so they fudged even those numbers to make Intel the winner, you remember that? excluding everything from the benchmarks bar a few games, CPU of the month when Ryzen launched was an Intel blue wash based on 5 games and nothing more, they also excluded Motherboard pricing, Cooler pricing despite using a $200 cooler to insure the Intel chips all ran at their maximum boost clocks and excluded overclocking ability... when it was pointed out to them by other reviewers and the public that despite all that by thier own calculations some of the Ryzen chips still had better price to performance ratio; they clamped up and shut down all debate on the matter including deleting a lot of posts where they could.
It was a total circus, Toms Hardware had obviously been paid in some form or another to insure Intel white washed the best CPU categories when Ryzen launched, probably via a crate or two of $2000 CPU's for 'reviewing purposes' not for Thebay...
A lot of people look to "best CPU's" charts as a guide to what to buy and Intel know it
Toms Hardware lied to people, flat-out lied for dirty money. they are not the only ones who do #### like this, there are also others who use hyperbolic language and exaggerated claims to get clicks, its only every AMD at the receiving end of that crap.
Ryan Shrout, a total sleazebag, Using the fastest most overclocked CPU he could get his hands on and paired it with a throttling reference 290 none X and benchmarked BF4 'Campaign mode' to conclude "Mantle is pointless and useless, it does nothing" wow... i had no idea he was so clueless..... He's isn't he knew exactly what he was doing, another one running a business masquerading as an independent reviewer.
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I remember people getting them to 5GHz - and they still didn't compete with a Core 2 Duo.
