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5Ghz Amd & Intel (speculation topic)

If Intel bring out a mainstream eight-core processor next year will it likely have the same clock speeds as the newly released 6-core cpu? I'm asking because i'm currently on an overclocked 4770k and i'm itching to upgrade, but 8-core sounds much more future-proof than 6-cores is.
 
FrankSwift said:
If Intel bring out a mainstream eight-core processor next year will it likely have the same clock speeds as the newly released 6-core cpu? I'm asking because i'm currently on an overclocked 4770k and i'm itching to upgrade, but 8-core sounds much more future-proof than 6-cores is.
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Would be brilliant if they can up the core speed further on the new process as well as make the i7 an 8 core. 8 core 16 thread at 5ghz all core turbo at stock please :p
 
@Mercutio I wouldn't be so sure that Zen+ is going to be 12LP (which seems to be 14LPP with tighter design rules), from what I recall from the Global Foundries presentation, they left things pretty vague. They had AMD's CTO talk about 12LP but I don't think they announced any products actually using 12LP.
Though their Zen sliders from previous conferences had 14nm and 14nm+ under the first iteration of Zen, maybe 14nm+ is 12LP?

I wouldn't be too excited for 12LP either way, GloFo got their 15% improved circuit density and >10% performance boost by comparing it to 16nm FinFet nodes.
 
AndreiD said:
@Mercutio I wouldn't be so sure that Zen+ is going to be 12LP (which seems to be 14LPP with tighter design rules), from what I recall from the Global Foundries presentation, they left things pretty vague. They had AMD's CTO talk about 12LP but I don't think they announced any products actually using 12LP.
Though their Zen sliders from previous conferences had 14nm and 14nm+ under the first iteration of Zen, maybe 14nm+ is 12LP?

I wouldn't be too excited for 12LP either way, GloFo got their 15% improved circuit density and >10% performance boost by comparing it to 16nm FinFet nodes.
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TSMC 16Nm FinFet is considered better than 14Nm at Global and you know this.

It's simple to understand what AMD was saying. The Global fab offers the best fit for it chips. Gobal currently offer 10% more performance than TSMC with its process. If AMD moved to TSMC from the current fab they would see some gains but Gobal offer 10% and 15% more on top of what a move to TSMC offers.
 
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Terrorfirmer said:
What is the thinking here?

I believe the OP was asking that if an Intel part, and Ryzen part, were both at the same clockspeed and using the same ram, would they be comparable?

And you said at 5Ghz a Ryzen would somehow murder a 5Ghz Intel part? I'm not sure I'm following the logic there.

Eg i5-8600K v Ryzen 1600X both at 5Ghz (notwithstanding that just would not happen). The Intel would be better because better IPC. Not that's not quite a fair comparison because the 1600X is cheaper but they're both six core parts.

But not much different to comparing say a boosted i5-8400 vs a boosted 1600 on all cores, say they were 3.8Ghz each, the i5-8400 will still be faster.
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But they are not just both six core parts, the ryzen has 12 threads and mor L3. So it's all down to the software you are running with it, as one will work better than another in different ways.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Price went up sadly and not all people got it at that price due to lack of stock!! :(

OcUK has it for £169.99 now AFAIK.
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Still, that's still pretty good when you look at the £ vs Performance and I assume its going to be better than my Xeon E1230v2 which gets bogged down when you run too many VMs on it.
 
RSR said:
Still, that's still pretty good when you look at the £ vs Performance and I assume its going to be better than my Xeon E1230v2 which gets bogged down when you run too many VMs on it.
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My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £277.84
(includes shipping: £9.90)



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That's a nice bundle, which also comes with 3 games. You could easily sell the games for £60+ to make the price even better.:

https://promotion.asus.com/en/uk/Ryzen
 
The real question is; does anyone think we'll ever see 6.0ghz speeds? ;)

I guess however fast we get, we will always be looking ahead at what's next/faster. :rolleyes::D
 
That 10ghz article looks hilarious now. Just seems ridiculous lol.

Rroff said:
My old electronics lecturer was adamant we'd never see CPUs faster than 900MHz back in the days of the Pentium 1/2 - ever - period. Gave me a lot of **** for trying to suggest otherwise heh.
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Well, on that basis, bring on the 10ghz :p
 
What would be good is if 2 cores could work in tandem within the cpu it's self to output 1 single thread at twice the speed. So if you had 8 cores running at 4ghz, it could change to 7 cores (1@8ghz and 6@4ghz) when it needs the extra single core power. This would be so good as you would not need the OS to use more than one core for one job it's self. I wonder if it is possible this could be done with a different cpu architecture in years to come.
 
Caracus2k said:
Never mind 6Ghz we're are the 10Ghz processors we were forecast over 10 years ago
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Problem is we went multicore for obvious reasons.

Moore's law also died.

Reading how the article extrapolated 1995 to 2000 and to 8-10ghz Netburst on 7nm by 2005, is quite funny. However, it probably didn't sound that optimistic at the time.
 
I wonder what netburst would have reached on 14nm? Its theoretical of course, but on 65nm it actually clocked very well. Performance would still be rubbish even at 10GHz of course, but I reckon it would certainly go very high .
 
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