5th May UK regional elections discussion and results

Ideal World would be employing the right candidate for the job !

This is the most amusing part. We don't live in an ideal world, yet so much noise comes from all this equality crap. There never will be ideal or equality.

Seeing to be doing something.
 
This is the most amusing part. We don't live in an ideal world, yet so much noise comes from all this equality crap. There never will be ideal or equality.

Seeing to be doing something.

Too much "Old Skool".

ie:

Not What you know but Who you know.
 
So 43% of London voters are not in their right mind now? Let me guess, your definition of "right mind" is "agrees with me"? :)

Decry UK politics for turning into US politics and then acts in exactly the same partisan way the staunchest of staunch republicans would?

My friend, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
 
Ideal World would be employing the right candidate for the job !

Right, but unless you believe that men are simply more qualified than women and that ethnic minorities can't do the job as well as men these lead to the same conclusion: there should be a better mixture - especially in a city as multi-cultural as London.
 
Right, but unless you believe that men are simply more qualified than women and that ethnic minorities can't do the job as well as men these lead to the same conclusion: there should be a better mixture - especially in a city as multi-cultural as London.

That's what I was trying to say, but you said it more eloquently.
 
Right, but unless you believe that men are simply more qualified than women and that ethnic minorities can't do the job as well as men these lead to the same conclusion: there should be a better mixture - especially in a city as multi-cultural as London.

But why should anyone be hired based on their race or sex? Isn't that the opposite of what we all want? 'There should be a better mixture', why? Why is the race of people at Transport for London even being brought into question?
 
But why should anyone be hired based on their race or sex? Isn't that the opposite of what we all want?

Exactly. The fact that they've hired so many white men shows that it's very likely that they have been selecting people based on race and sex.
 
Exactly. The fact that they've hired so many white men shows that it's very likely that they have been selecting people based on race and sex.

So deliberately hiring non-white people is a fix for that?

Personally I think it's because people that know their stuff about transport in cities happen to be people that have lived in London for a while and if you give it another 10 years they might retire and you'll see some new blood come through eventually, but no it's probably because they're all racists yeah.
 
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This will change in the coming decades now maternity and paternity leave is pretty much equal.

Not so sure give the push for mothers to breast feed. Unless the mum is prepared to express every night and then be like a zombie the next day, I expect the change to be only very minimal.

That is, unless people just ignore the advise of breast is best and go the formula route, which given how easier breast feeding makes things, is unlikely.
 
Of course, but how come 'the right candidate' always seems to be a white male when (going by recent exam results), women are now doing better than men in many key subjects?

at school... and except for mathematics usually

then you get to university and the subjects that lead to higher paying careers are mostly taken by men - in some STEM fields the minority of women who actually chose to pursue that area have a much better chance of landing a job than a similarly qualified male as a lot of companies with a shortage of women in a particular area are keen to compensate for it

I think a lot of the wage gap is much more easily explained by education choices and child birth than actual discrimination
 
Exactly. The fact that they've hired so many white men shows that it's very likely that they have been selecting people based on race and sex.

Or that the best candidates for these positions just happened to be white males based on qualifications and experience related to running public transport systems in large cities.
 
Exactly. The fact that they've hired so many white men shows that it's very likely that they have been selecting people based on race and sex.

Or, more likely, the case that people who are on the board are those who have climbed the ladder and as such are more likely to be white men, given the demographics of London 30 years ago and those who entered TfL roles at that time?

Assuming for a moment (humour me) that board candidacy takes into account skill set and experience, then we should see a shift towards a more equal board room as the demographics of more junior cohorts becomes more equal. For example, the company I work at is almost 50-50 men-women at my level in engineering roles but senior/leader-level engineering roles are dominated by men. This is because those with 30+ years of experience entered at a time when virtually all graduate entrants in engineering were men, which is no longer the case. These things take time to go through the system :)
 
Exactly. The fact that they've hired so many white men shows that it's very likely that they have been selecting people based on race and sex.

Post hoc ergo Propter hoc. It shows nothing of the sort.

To establish such a thing requires far more evidence than the outcome ratios, you need to know the makeup and qualifications of all the applicants for a start...
 
Reading comments on bookface from my colleagues in Lahore is quite amusing. First they were like, yey! Pakistani in power. Now they are like, Screw him, he is pro Israel.
 
Just found out that a friend of a friend is being investigated by the police after including discount vouchers for his hair salon when sending out his UKIP campaign literature.

I'm not surprised to be honest, he's not the brightest spark, and what he lacks in intelligence he makes up for in less savoury areas.
 
I've just been looking at results and have seen that almost 5% of the ballot papers for the PCC in this district were spoiled!

This, combined with a turn out of less than 17% (compared to almost 40% for district council elections at the same time) surely shows just how much apathy there is for this role.
 
I've just been looking at results and have seen that almost 5% of the ballot papers for the PCC in this district were spoiled!

I wonder how many of those were deliberate and how many accidental. The two choice system for PCC is not commonly used in British elections and I wonder how many people misunderstood. Doubly so if they were alongside multiple return wards in local elections.
 
at school... and except for mathematics usually

then you get to university and the subjects that lead to higher paying careers are mostly taken by men - in some STEM fields the minority of women who actually chose to pursue that area have a much better chance of landing a job than a similarly qualified male as a lot of companies with a shortage of women in a particular area are keen to compensate for it

I think a lot of the wage gap is much more easily explained by education choices and child birth than actual discrimination

To some degree but there is still huge amounts of discrimination. Lots of studies where they send out identical CVs to recruiters or job adverts, simply changing name gender and the response rates are significantly different.
 
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