6 Year old boy thrown 5 floors from Tate Modern Museum in London by 17 year old boy

I'm amazed the child survived after being chucked off there. Hopefully he pulls through. Some utterly demented people in this world.
 
robj20 said:
Hope they report on why the 17 year old did it.
Seems so odd for no reason.
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So according to the news today, the 17 year old tore the child from it's mothers arms and chucked it over the edge, then just stood there motionless. Since the incident he's apparently blamed social services.

That's the problem with people like this - it's always someone else's fault. Lock him away in Broadmoor (loony or not) and throw away the key.
 
One of those crimes where the punishment should be at least equal to the offence.

Throw the **** off the same balcony, see how he likes it (if he survives, hopefully not).
 
17 may be a bit late, but we certainly need to be holding parents accountable somewhat for the actions of their spawn. Has there been any serious studies looking at such a thing?
 
Ahleckz said:
17 may be a bit late, but we certainly need to be holding parents accountable somewhat for the actions of their spawn. Has there been any serious studies looking at such a thing?
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The 17 year old is almost certainly mentally ill and austerity has meant services for people to be kept in check have lapsed massively. Parents cannot be held to blame if their children are sick in the head in most cases.
 
hurfdurf said:
The 17 year old is almost certainly mentally ill and austerity has meant services for people to be kept in check have lapsed massively. Parents cannot be held to blame if their children are sick in the head in most cases.
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Whilst I agree with an awful lot of what you say this sounds like hand wringing and making excuses to me. But, if we hold the parents accountable then we'd be able to discover the steps that the parents took to try and get help for their child. If it's shown that they did then those mitigating factors can be considered in any sentencing.

I was however speaking more broadly and trying to start a discussion about parental responsibility but perhaps a new thread would be better on reflection.
 
Ahleckz said:
Whilst I agree with an awful lot of what you say this sounds like hand wringing and making excuses to me. But, if we hold the parents accountable then we'd be able to discover the steps that the parents took to try and get help for their child. If it's shown that they did then those mitigating factors can be considered in any sentencing.

I was however speaking more broadly and trying to start a discussion about parental responsibility but perhaps a new thread would be better on reflection.
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I am all for blaming bad parenting as a contributing factor. There are mentally ill children who can't look after themselves having children of their own. Holding parents accountable for the actions of their children is an awful reach though. When does it end, far too difficult to legislate. Much better to have the services in place, such as well funded social services checking on children (which we do not have at the moment) and mental health services available.
 
Ahleckz said:
17 may be a bit late, but we certainly need to be holding parents accountable somewhat for the actions of their spawn. Has there been any serious studies looking at such a thing?
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I wonder what sort of parenting you imagine would predictably lead to a boy throwing a child off a roof....?
 
hurfdurf said:
The 17 year old is almost certainly mentally ill and austerity has meant services for people to be kept in check have lapsed massively. Parents cannot be held to blame if their children are sick in the head in most cases.
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Clearly it was Trump's Cameron and Osborne's fault, the parents have no personal responsibility over how they raised their kid and the kid has no personal responsibility as long as he can claim a mental health condition of some sort.
 
A truly shocking news story. As a parent of 4 I'd be distraught if one of my children were injured in this way. As always though, the wrong person gets the headlines, too much talk over how this 17 year old has got to have issues because of brexit or austerity or bad parenting.
Not enough emphasis on that poor kid who even if they do survive this will likely have been permanently injured by this in one way or another.

This country is so PC, blame the 17 year old, wait he said it was social services fault, blame social services!.....No. Kick the scrote off the 10th floor in the other direction so he has a 10 story fall and not 5.
 
cheesyboy said:
I wonder what sort of parenting you imagine would predictably lead to a boy throwing a child off a roof....?
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I don't think parenting leads to that but a lack of parenting and punishment can lead to increasingly violent behaviour. I imagine that this person wasn't an innocent little angel who was perfectly well behaved and then just decided to do this. I imagine there were lots of instances beforehand where this person was misbehaving and clearly any punishment didn't stop their behaviour. I think that holding parents somewhat responsible (alongside the child) is sensible and was curious if this has been looked at academically at least.

Steveocee said:
A truly shocking news story. As a parent of 4 I'd be distraught if one of my children were injured in this way. As always though, the wrong person gets the headlines, too much talk over how this 17 year old has got to have issues because of brexit or austerity or bad parenting.
Not enough emphasis on that poor kid who even if they do survive this will likely have been permanently injured by this in one way or another.
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The reasons the person did it and what led to their behaviour is much more discussion worthy than "Oh, this is so sad. My thoughts and prayers are with the victim". No, we need to discuss what leads someone to do this so it doesn't happen before and what we can learn from it.
 
Ahleckz said:
The reasons the person did it and what led to their behaviour is much more discussion worthy than "Oh, this is so sad. My thoughts and prayers are with the victim". No, we need to discuss what leads someone to do this so it doesn't happen before and what we can learn from it.
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You are being far too sensible for the idiots of GD
 
Ahleckz said:
I don't think parenting leads to that but a lack of parenting and punishment can lead to increasingly violent behaviour. I imagine that this person wasn't an innocent little angel who was perfectly well behaved and then just decided to do this. I imagine there were lots of instances beforehand where this person was misbehaving and clearly any punishment didn't stop their behaviour. I think that holding parents somewhat responsible (alongside the child) is sensible and was curious if this has been looked at academically at least.
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The dude is probably a Psychopath, if reports of him calmly standing there after the act are accurate I'd say he's definitely a psychopath. You'd have to be a very skilled and trained parent to keep him on track. Psychopaths are psychologically immune to punishment.
 
Ahleckz said:
I don't think parenting leads to that but a lack of parenting and punishment can lead to increasingly violent behaviour. I imagine that this person wasn't an innocent little angel who was perfectly well behaved and then just decided to do this. I imagine there were lots of instances beforehand where this person was misbehaving and clearly any punishment didn't stop their behaviour. I think that holding parents somewhat responsible (alongside the child) is sensible and was curious if this has been looked at academically at least.



The reasons the person did it and what led to their behaviour is much more discussion worthy than "Oh, this is so sad. My thoughts and prayers are with the victim". No, we need to discuss what leads someone to do this so it doesn't happen before and what we can learn from it.
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Trouble is, we don't know anything about the boy, so we can't really start blaming his parents or appointing blame until the details come out after the trial.

Could just be a psycho and did it for a laugh.
 
ttaskmaster said:
Given how many criminals like this coming from broken homes or parents that were abusive, inattentive, irresponsible or generally the type you'd consider 'not fit to breed', I'd say you're way off the mark... The parents are the very first people I'd be investigating!!
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Don't get me wrong, I think it's appalling how easily we as a society allow scum to breed scum. How ever having answers to that problem is far more complex.
 
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