65" 4K HDR TV - under £2k
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yeah, can find quite a few of the 58, but really want a 65 to make the most of going to UHD
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If you can convince yourself to stretch your budget by £500-800... you can get last years 65" OLED for ~£2500 and the 2017 model for £2800.
I have the 55" Samsung KS8000 and it was a good upgrade.
I have the 55" Samsung KS8000 and it was a good upgrade.
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Not interested in oled yet - too many problems and similar to the plasma we have now the brightness isn't really there for every day use - would rather give them more time to work out the issues and when the TV comes up for upgrade again in 4-5 years take another look then, the extra money doesn't justify the extra risks with little to no benefit for mostly how we use the telly
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Brightness is no issue... I have a bright living room and watched some content at lunch today and brightness wasn't far off my 1000nit Samsung... viewing was comfortable with sunlight blaring through the windows.
As for panel issues, they have been mostly ironed out on TVs with September or newer build date... buy from a good company like Richer Sounds and you'd have no issues with returns... they're no more likely to have a fault than the others you're considering.
Go an look at one in a store with lights brighter than your home environment and you'll see it's no issue...
As for panel issues, they have been mostly ironed out on TVs with September or newer build date... buy from a good company like Richer Sounds and you'd have no issues with returns... they're no more likely to have a fault than the others you're considering.
Go an look at one in a store with lights brighter than your home environment and you'll see it's no issue...
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You shouldn't be watching it in a conservatory anyway.
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I'm not buying an oled that is still at least 30% over budget and has longevity issues, and at half the nits of the Sony - I have been in store to check out some, hence the shortlist in the opening post being devoid of oled
Don't have a conservatory, not sure what you are on about?
If you just mean I should close the curtains to watch TV all the time then I assume you don't have a family and are happy to sit alone in the dark to watch TV
Even if we did, not sure its anyone's lookout to tell me where I should or shouldn't watch TV.
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Ah. The joys of the internet.
Whatever did we do before the world wide web?
Read a magazine. Go into a shop and formulate an opinion based on what we'd seen with our own eyes?
I remember doing this 7 years ago with all the hooha about Pioneers Kuro. We did a side by side demo of the Kuro against the RGB LED Sony flagship and there was only one winner.
OLED could be good when it's the finished article. But it's not. Yet.
Sad to think that a TV that cost £2700 7 years ago is now worth less secondhand than the backlit remote control it came with.
Whatever did we do before the world wide web?
Read a magazine. Go into a shop and formulate an opinion based on what we'd seen with our own eyes?
I remember doing this 7 years ago with all the hooha about Pioneers Kuro. We did a side by side demo of the Kuro against the RGB LED Sony flagship and there was only one winner.
OLED could be good when it's the finished article. But it's not. Yet.
Sad to think that a TV that cost £2700 7 years ago is now worth less secondhand than the backlit remote control it came with.
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You shouldn't watch your 65" TV whilst driving a car.
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Hey OP i hope i can help by shedding some of my experience!
I was in the same boat as you earlier this year but ended up with the LG OLED. I can see where you're coming from when it comes to the brightness/nits when it comes to OLED but for me it's more than enough personally.
The KS8000 was very bright in comparison so i understand where you are coming from in that perspective, although if i aren't mistaken it was 1000 nits at peak brightness and could only handle that brightness for a small period of time.
I'm very happy with my OLED over my old KS8000 that had multiple issues. The T.V got sent in for repair four times all with the same fault on return i had 2 new units after that with the same problems and on one a major issue.
I might of had just really bad luck when it came to Samsung but that's just my experience with them. As a matter of fact if i had no problems in the first place i wouldn't have my OLED right now.
But i'm over the moon with my OLED to be completely honest and if i had a choice to buy the T.V again and i had to pick between the Samsung or the OLED it would be the OLED 10/10.
Not because Samsung left a sour taste in my mouth but after sitting with the T.V for a few weeks i instantly preferred the deep blacks OLED offered compared to LED or Samsungs new QLED as my friend has one and he admits it's not as good as my OLED.
Also Dolby Vision is a + and the fact that WebOS is so fast and clean it's leaps and bounds above any other competitors in my opinion.
Regardless i think you'll be happy with any Television you decide to buy i hope you don't have the same bad luck as me when it comes to the T.V.
Good luck!
Edit: Maybe try to wait till Black Friday for deals on T.V's then if you can wait.
what is your typical viewing environment ?
I could not find the internet article (sorry Boje) but, as soon as you have some ambiant light, the deep blacks are difficult to discern,
but like the debate on distance to sit for a 4K benefit, it will run and run.
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thanks for the info on the samsung, I'm am edging more and more towards the Sony
I've had nothing but issues with 2 of our LG TV's so not likely to give them another shout either
What you're saying about black levels though just sends up warning signs... our plasma looks great at night or with the curtains closed, but that isn't how we watch the TV 90% of the time, so its horses for courses.
And even if the oled is bright enough for daytime viewing, it sill isn't magically under £2k for a 65"
this is what is really putting me off oled for now;
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/42511-oled-suffers-from-burn-in-effect
having read loads of horror stories of people's oled's turning crap and not getting warranty support from LG, there is just no chance I'm taking that risk, I'll wait for it to become proven and reasonable in price
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You picked an early LCD over a Kuro? You need glasses
Up until OLED, the Kuro was the best TV I have owned.That sounds like an annoying experience. My KS8000 has been fine.
I actually found the KS8000 too bright at nighttime to the point it would hurt my eyes when there was a big flash of a bright colour.
@OP - please try to at least throw the brightness argument out the window, with the 2017 models - it's no longer something to concern yourself with as they are more than bright enough.
I have a large south-facing window in my living room, yesterday was sunny with blue skies - the sun was streaming in through the window and I still had a comfortable viewing experience that exceeded the KS8000. The anti-reflective coating on the OLED is better than the one on the Samsung, so I had less reflections in the screen where they could obscure viewing even on the "brighter" KS8000.
I can understand light/reflection issues with Plasma... both my Kuro and Panny GT30 were washed out in bright light.
If you're keen on using the in-built streaming apps... the Panasonic's interface is terrible - I bought one for my Grandmother, but she doesn't use that side of the TV. The Sony isn't much better.
The Samsung interface is a pleasure to use - almost as good as WebOS on the LG.
I was comparing the same options as you (well, 55") when I got my Samsung and went with the Samsung because I thought it had the nicest / warmest colour reproduction and vibrancy which noticeably exceeded both the Panasonic and Sony. I didn't realise til later the differences between the user interfaces which would have really annoyed me on the Panny especially - it feels 10 years old. If you won't be using that and only plan to use external sources, then it's not relevant.
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useful, thanks
even ignoring the brightness, I can't justify the extra cost or risk for TV's that are widely reported to go crap after less than a year and waiting for 2018 models that will jump straight back up to £4k+ tp avoid the issues
the LG's we have now the interface was great when we first got it, but with successive updates it has gotten worse and worse and now amazon and youtube routinely crash out and have to be reset, so LG are completely off my radar for the foreseeable anyway
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Brightness is fine. The HDR on my 2016 set makes me squint through the brightness sometimes when HDR is on.
Never had any crash or issue with apps on my 65B6
Also hard to judge a TV picture in a store with bright lights. LED's stand out more in that environment.
At home the opposite is true, you realise how good OLED are.
Brightness is fine. The HDR on my 2016 set makes me squint through the brightness sometimes when HDR is on.
Never had any crash or issue with apps on my 65B6
Also hard to judge a TV picture in a store with bright lights. LED's stand out more in that environment.
At home the opposite is true, you realise how good OLED are.
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Yup - same for me... I thought the Samsung appeared more vibrant in the store environment... but at home the OLED kicks its ass, even during the day.
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they still aren't under £2k for a 65inch though, no amount of arguing is going to make that true and widespread reports of them going bad
ordered the sony now anyway so its pretty moot
ordered the sony now anyway so its pretty moot
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6 year warranty with Richer Sounds means I'm not bothered if it breaks in the 6 year period
The reason we're pushing it is the massive upgrade that the "little" extra money it is over the models you were after.
But nevermind - enjoy the Sony.
The reason we're pushing it is the massive upgrade that the "little" extra money it is over the models you were after.
But nevermind - enjoy the Sony.