6800 series slides

[Broken Hope]

So, looks like Barts can be used on the same boards as Cypress.

 

[Orcvader]

Cayman XT looks like a hungry beast It makes me wonder how much power Antilles need
So it looks like they do plan to rebrand the 5700 series.

 

[GJ02]

anyone could knock up a nice powerpoint slide presentation
pinch of salt

 

[Lightnix]

Oh wow looks like Cayman is going to be quite power hungry, "<300" TDP is basically GTX480 power consumption territory.

 

[GJ02]

It is confirmed that AMD has changed its mind for the second time and will launch the Radeon HD 6000 Series on 22 October 2010. The launch was initially slated for 12 October but was pushed back a week to the 19th prior to this. Fudzilla has also confirmed that the Radeon HD 6000 Series will launch on the 22nd.
AMD will be releasing the Radeon HD 6870 and Radeon HD 6850 cards first. Based on previously leaked benchmarks by some Chinese websites, the Radeon HD 6870 will only be a little faster than an overclocked Radeon HD 5850. There sure is some name-play going on here; the x800 naming convention has traditionally been given to high-end single GPU cards but it seems that the Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 will be replacements for the current HD 5700 Series instead.
It is almost certain that the new high-end (wow, confusing) will be labelled under as the Radeon HD 6900 Series instead.

Challenge brought forth by HD 6800
Since the Radeon HD 6800 Series is a mid-high segment card, this could be the reason why NVIDIA is confident of getting back into the game (at least till the end of 2010). NVIDIA's current line-up of GeForce GTX 460 and GTS 450 GPUs are based off crippled GF104 and GF106. Hence, a fully enabled GF104 (with higher clock-speeds) should be able to resist the challenge brought forth by the HD 6870. (We are still curious how NVIDIA will handle AMD's Radeon HD 6900 Series though.)

Dealers have already been asked to place their orders and Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 cards are indeed making their way to retail channels across the globe. The yield issues may very well still be present - a speculation fuelled by AMD's unusual shift in naming convention.
Stock is set to arrive at their destinations before the end of next week so we are currently expecting 22 October to be a hard launch. We wouldn't be surprised if these cards popped up on e-tail for a little air time before their official launch though. It would be interesting to see how AMD would price the Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 against NVIDIA's offerings and their own current generation.

 

[RavenXXX2]

300 watt for the 6970, not that efficient after all, unless of course it blows the 480 away, which looks doubtful.

 

[Baboonanza]

That's certainly the most credible looking source I've yet seen.

I wonder about the Juniper though. The rumour is that they are re-branding it, but perhaps it's just that the Juniper refesh is later than the others and will come Q1 2011 instead. Or maybe they do plan to re-brand it at a lower price point (to compete with the 450), but I'm struggling to see how that makes any sense for them.

 

[Freddie1980]

300 watt for the 6970, not that efficient after all, unless of course it blows the 480 away, which looks doubtful.

I doubt it will be 300 watts since that’s the limit of the PCI-E spec and they still have Antilles to come which will also be facing the same bottleneck. For me Antilles is the acid test for Northern Islands in terms of efficiency as that will be the directly replace for the 5970 which also uses 300 watts and from that we can truly see what improvements AMD have made just be tampering with the architecture.

I tend to think these slides are a bit dubious but if true they give food for thought. And if these slides are to be believed then AMD’s eyefinity technology has proven to be more then just a gimmick and has been a resounding success for them.

I wonder about the Juniper though. The rumour is that they are re-branding it, but perhaps it's just that the Juniper refesh is later than the others and will come Q1 2011 instead. Or maybe they do plan to re-brand it at a lower price point (to compete with the 450), but I'm struggling to see how that makes any sense for them.

Given that's it's (5770) already faster then the GTS450 AMD don't really need to do anything here. However it would make sense for them to use Northern Islands technology to make a chip that’s smaller then the 5770 but gives the same performance which would increase margins in a segment which has rapidly reducing returns.

 

[psychas]

if its faster then 480 it does not meed it needs more power slide showing estimated performance not power consumption.

 

[straxusii]

The 6970 must be faster than 480 otherwise it will be the biggest joke since fermi launch

 

[RedStarRiot]

if its faster then 480 it does not meed it needs more power slide showing estimated performance not power consumption.

yeah thats what i thought also

 

[d_brennen]

Northern ISLAND (s missing) and GTX450? (it's always been GTS450?). Smells like a sloppy fake to me

 

[Baboonanza]

Given that's it's (5770) already faster then the GTS450 AMD don't really need to do anything here. However it would make sense for them to use Northern Islands technology to make a chip that’s smaller then the 5770 but gives the same performance which would increase margins in a segment which has rapidly reducing returns.

That's exactly what I meant. If they are lowing the price point it makes much more sense to use a smaller, cheaper chip. That would also mean they would need less wafers to produce the chips, freeing up more supply of higher-end chips. OTOH they were pretty small anyway and maybe they just have an enormous stockpile of Juniper chips? Or maybe they will refresh Juniper next year.

It'll be interesting to see what AMD really do, and how close all these rumours are.

 

[Baboonanza]

Northern ISLAND (s missing) and GTX450? (it's always been GTS450?). Smells like a sloppy fake to me

As noted elsewhere the slides apparently date from before the 450s official release, so having that incorrect actually adds credibility IMO. Missing an s from Northern Islands is pretty minor.

If it's a fake it's a very detailed, convincing one. It's more credible than anything else out there.

 

[Scougar]

If 69xx stuff (Or whatever it is called) is going to draw similar power to the 480 I will just lol for a while, thinking how they mocked Nvidia for Fermi. (ok. for heat mainly, but more power pretty much equates to more heat).

Still looking forward to it, just not expecting any miracles except from AMD's marketting department.

Large pinch of salt with every unofficial release though.

 

[Jibber55]

300 watt for the 6970, not that efficient after all, unless of course it blows the 480 away, which looks doubtful.

But as you have stated many times Raven... Who cares about power consumption? It's real world performance that really matters.
Why does it look doubtful that the 6970 will beat the 480?

 

[psychas]

nvm did not seen the caymans slide. looks like cayman pro for me xt to much power hungry but its yet to see

 

[JTrickle]

If those are correct, it looks as If I was wrong on my guestimate that both Barts boards would be single 6pin (important for both budget purchaser and OEMs).

 

[Cooper]

So...

Barts XT = 6870 = slightly less than or equal to old 5850 in performance...?

Cayman Pro = 6950 = new name for old 5850 = slightly better performance than 480..?

Sound about right???

 

[opethdisciple]

New naming scheme is gona confuse the pants of people.

I dont know when I hear about the new 6870, if they are refering to the successor of the 5870 or what....