6870/6850 benchmarks (for real)

[drunkenmaster]

The only confusing part here is, hundreds, well thousands of people on the net all listening to 50 different rumours and pushing them all together and then having a go at AMD for horrible naming.

AMD have said NOTHING about the cards, theres entirely nothing confusing, names don't matter, 5 series names don't matter, 5 series names make no sense in general 5670/5570 both have 400 shaders, 5 series names make no sense and aren't directly comparable to 4 series naming.

A 4770 is almost as fast as a 4850, a 5770 is no where near a 5850, any generational similarity(4870x2-5970) is that, the KEY factor is first number, generation, next number which core the card is based on, higher the number, faster it is, the next number, which level of performance of that core.

Thats been the same for hmm, since the 9700 pro, seriously, where is this confusing?

When AMD actually LAUNCH the cards and tell us info about them, we'll know exactly how fast each one is and how much they cost they you do the incredibly complex thing of...... working out which one you want to buy.

Personally I still think the idea they will call a single top end card a 6970, and a dual gpu top end card a 6990, almost laughable, if its true, I'll laugh at AMD for making it sound so utterly crap in comparison. Its more likely to back to 6970x2 naming, or everything thats been rumoured is simply rubbish.

 

[drunkenmaster]

The rest of the 6000 series cards are meant to be these Evergreen/SI hybrids (NI), but the HD6850 and 6870 are meant to be an exception, being rebranded 5 series cards (so still Evergreen).

See, here in lies the problem, everyones blaming AMD's naming scheme for 58 different rumours.

The current rumour is, the 6970/6990/6950/6870/6850/6670/6650/6570/6550/6450 are ALL new cores, and the 6770 is a rebranded 5770.

So they are going top to bottom with a new architecture, but leaving one middle of the way card out and keeping the old tech. Do also remember, the new architecture is almost certainly faster per mm2. Meaning if they wanted to keep the 5770 level of performance, they could do it in the new architecture, with a SMALLER core that would mean larger profit. But somehow it makes sense to keep the older, less efficient larger core for one core out of the range. I think its safe to say thats 99.9% BS.

I've seen ONE place state its rebranded, with zero proof, a table the WRITER knocked up, and thats it.

 

[GJ02]

From what little I know, AMD are not daft, they have the upper hand this time round, they have the chance to dominate, I don't think they are going to screw this up nor do I think they are going to screw us over.
All these numbers are pure pure speculation, nothing has been said my AMD. So until we hear from them I'm taking it all with a pinch of salt.
I think we will all be very happy tho

 

[straxusii]

From what little I know, AMD are not daft, they have the upper hand this time round, they have the chance to dominate, I don't think they are going to screw this up nor do I think they are going to screw us over.
All these numbers are pure pure speculation, nothing has been said my AMD. So until we hear from them I'm taking it all with a pinch of salt.
I think we will all be very happy tho

AMD are in the business of making as much money as possible in the short and medium term. They will do this by charging as much as they can get away with for the new cards but with a mind to the value of the business that is generated by market share. They won't be 'screwing anyone over', they may produce a card that you choose to buy or not.

 

[SirCanealot]

Don't really understand why AMD would be re-branding the 5770 core without even tweaking it a bit -- I'm sure they could have made a smaller/slightly faster core by building for the slightly improved 40nm process and moving the shaders over to the new method. At least the core might have been slightly smaller too, meaning they can sell it cheaper/make more money...

 

[Bleek]

Why didn't they just start with the name '1' for their first card, would have made life so much easier.

 

[GJ02]

so, have we established that they are only releasing the lower end crds first, or are we on the lines of its still in the air as to what they are releasing.
sick of asking this question but noboby seems to try and answer:- do you think they release the specs of all the cards even the ones they are not releasing jjust yet ?

 

[Mr Krugga]

AMD are in the business of making as much money as possible in the short and medium term. They will do this by charging as much as they can get away with for the new cards but with a mind to the value of the business that is generated by market share. They won't be 'screwing anyone over', they may produce a card that you choose to buy or not.

This is only partially true. AMD will aim to sell the most graphics cards at every single sector that exist, your first post in the thread have shown that you have no idea about that. They might have a higher mark-up with the last two cards of the enthusiasts range, but that's about it. The rest of the cards will be competing with Nvidia at specific price points that already exist. I can't understand why you'd think any business that is bound to ever changing technology would aim to fit their products into the existing market. They have to compete money-wise, otherwise mostly everyone would by a cheaper card because we don't really need that much power these days.

 

[Final8y]

If I'm not mistaken, you seem to be missing something here... So, you as an average customer, step into the hardware store with your $215 (or go online). What do you see there? Certainly not a HD5870 for that price. With some luck maybe a HD5850. And a HD6870. So purchase the HD6870, and guess what - you just got better bang for you buck, a higher efficiency and more features.

Granted, the HD5870 will probably go a little bit lower in price, due to the new series. But to expect $300 performance from a $215 card is somewhat questionable. What about looking at it the way around? You could spend $300 on a HD5870, and be very disappointed when you find out that your neighbor that spent only $215 (on a HD6870) got nearly the same performance - along with better tessellation etc.

So, in other words, I believe most consumers don't want a certain card with a certain number, they just have a certain budget and go out to find a card that suits it. If AMD's pricing were to be way off here, it would be a ripoff indeed. But by the same sort of rumours that regard the name shift, AMD's pricing seems perfectly reasonable.

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As i cant be bothered.