6870 is here! for £170, WTF?? HELP!!

[Mr Krugga]

I know that you silly sausage i meant power as in like... juice, the FPS... the goods, the output and end result of waxing all your hard earned cash....

And why does x8 bandwidth mean its halfed because of pci1.0? I read just 10 minutes ago the difference between pci-1.0 and pci2.1 is only like 10% at most... are the gurus wrong too oh wise one? I get that x8 means a card is only CAPABLE of dishing out that much juice, but whats to say they are processing / sending that much data anyway??

You're calling me a silly sausage but you're the one saying some strange things about power-cutting. I can't really understand what you meant there at all.

It's simple really, PCI-E 1.1 is half the speed of PCI-E 2.0 afaik. It means that PCI-E 1.1 16x is roughly equivalent to PCI-E 2.0 8x. There's a little difference if you run one card only (up to 5%) but when your board supports PCI-E 1.1 8x/8x only (or less), you shouldn't think of Crossfire/SLI really.

When PCI-E lanes are becoming a limiting factor you're simply experience performance loss.

ive read up on wiki.... still dosent answer the question - is crossfire worth the extra card and mobo costs, even with all the juice that gets shaved off?

It's up to you really? Do you think the extra performance is worth the extra in cash? The second question I don't understand

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The HD6950 and HD6970 are being released in a few weeks so these maybe worth considering.

However,an HD6870 will be a big upgrade over what you have now.

 

[rounddodger]

That fact is the AVERAGE joe who buys a 5850 or a 5870 will not be likely an uninformed person in the first place & also the price would start alarm bells ringing.

Not true, there are plenty of people who buy pre-built gaming rigs, Alienware, Dell, whatever and I will bet you they make up a sizable chunk of discrete graphics sales and don't have the knowledge or just don't bother researching, which to be honest is their own fault but AMD/NV don't always make life easy for them.

 

[Gantoris]

*sigh* No one has been lied to and its not confusing at all, they are saving the 67xx designation for a low end cheap set of card to be released after the 69xx series. Theres no trickery going on the release order is Mid(68xx) -- High(69xx) --- Low(67xx).


Saying one is a direct replacement for another is not exactly true imo because at the moment you kinda only have Low(57xx) and High(58xx) and there gonna give you more options. Before anyone says "bleh bleh bleh 5970 is high" no it isnt, its 2x58xx welded together which will be replaced in the form of a 6990.

 

[Final8y]

Not true, there are plenty of people who buy pre-built gaming rigs, Alienware, Dell, whatever and I will bet you they make up a sizable chunk of discrete graphics sales and don't have the knowledge or just don't bother researching, which to be honest is their own fault but AMD/NV don't always make life easy for them.

Now that your talking about pre bulits & go & see how many of those Alienware brands are carrying the 6850 / 6870 with comparable price points to the 5770 / 5850 / 5870 systems that they offer.

 

[Final8y]

*sigh* No one has been lied to and its not confusing at all, they are saving the 67xx designation for a low end cheap set of card to be released after the 69xx series. Theres no trickery going on the release order is Mid(68xx) -- High(69xx) --- Low(67xx).


Saying one is a direct replacement for another is not exactly true imo because at the moment you kinda only have Low(57xx) and High(58xx) and there gonna give you more options. Before anyone says "bleh bleh bleh 5970 is high" no it isnt, its 2x58xx welded together which will be replaced in the form of a 6990.

Yep .

3870X2
4870X2
5970
6990

 

[Rroff]

Why do you post things like the one below then?



Are you another person who can't understand what would happen if AMD (not ATI!) would release these cards as 6750/70 at $179/$239 price points? I can imagine the moaning about it now. You really should stop crapping on AMD Rroff, it's getting boring and annoying.

What is so hard to understand?

Someone whos bought a 3870, 4870, 5870 with a medium level of technical knowledge and then sees the 6870 they logically assume its an upgrade from their 5870... they don't necessarily see the lower price as a red flag - infact a lot of consumers are gonna see it as a good thing - especially with all the AMD fan boys going on about how AMD are value for money and low prices, etc.

I love the double standards around here... I'm sure plenty of people are also bored and annoyed of the crapping on nVidia... and theres a lot less balance and consideration given to it than I do.

 

[Skyrocket]

^^^^ news flash someone that bought 3870 4870 5870 were "ATI"

6870 is AMD

Only people with lack of knowledge are confused.

 

[Gantoris]

Ill be honest with you i couldn't care less about the brand, if a card performs and its priced well then its the card for me. I was set to get a gtx460 1gb on in my new rig but now im gonna go with the 6870, i have no loyalty to either the 6870 is merely the best in its price range at the moment i have no doubts Nvidea will respond in time and the balance will shift again.

 

[Rroff]

^^^^ news flash someone that bought 3870 4870 5870 were "ATI"

6870 is AMD

Only people with lack of knowledge are confused.

You made my point for me... gg you...

 

[Final8y]

What is so hard to understand?

I love the double standards around here... I'm sure plenty of people are also bored and annoyed of the crapping on nVidia... and theres a lot less balance and consideration given to it than I do.

If ATi are using the exact same chip again & again then yeah double standards but they are not.

 

[Rroff]

Its just as deceptive towards your average consumer tho.

 

[Final8y]

Its just as deceptive towards your average consumer tho.

But its not intentionally & the many reason have been covered already.
And AMD has been fully open to what replaces what.

 

[Rroff]

Whos to say its not intentionally?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

How many people will spend over £200 on a graphics card and not bother to check a few reviews?? At the very least most people would want to check if whatever Nvidia has would be better value for money.

Most average consumers won't have an HD5870 let alone an HD5850 as £200 is a lot of money to spend on a graphics card.

On top of this the release of the HD6900 series in a few weeks is no secret.

Even the GTX460 is faster in most cases than a GTX465 and yet the latter should be a faster card according to the naming strategy.

 

[Final8y]

Whos to say its not intentionally?

Ok im going to have my bath now.

 

[Rroff]

Ok im going to have my bath now.

Then why even bother posting? are you just trolling me?

 

[Final8y]

Then why even bother posting? are you just trolling me?

I'm stopping now because i have better things to do when you ignore all of the plausible reasons with the situation that has covered this issues for the past few weeks.
And on that rare occasion that i do troll its blatantly obvious, like a few NV driver threads that i posted in & its was a VERY light-hearted affair.

 

[Rroff]

Plenty of plausiable reasons sure... but at the end of the day as an impact on the average consumer its no different to what nVidia did...

I don't really care either way I just found it interesting how die hard AMD fans defend it to the hilt whilest not even the most diehard nVidia fan even tried to defend it when nVidia did it.

If they'd have called them 6770 and 6830 as they properly are no one would have blinked an eye lid.

 

[krooton]

Didn't Nvidia rebrand the 8800 to 9800, and then charge more?

That's the kicker, so the fact that the 6850 and 6870 are priced correctly for the cards they replace (5830 and 5850) means it really isn't even vaguely similar. Read: replace, not upgrade.