7700K or 1700X ?

[Dicehunter]

Building a rig for a family member and can't decide on which CPU to go with, Now that the bios updates are coming thick and fast with high speed memory I've seen performance on a 4GHz 1700X match or exceed the 7700K at 5GHz in quite a lot of games but then there comes the question of whether some games take advantage of those extra cores and threads.

I have to build the rig within the next 2 weeks so can't wait for whatever Intel throws out next in August.

So, Pros and cons, 7700K or 1700X ?

 

[Minstadave]

Pure gaming rig? Anything else it'll be used for?

 

[Dicehunter]

Sorry forgot to add that, Gaming and various rendering workloads.

 

[pastymuncher]

What sort of games will be played on it? I guess the rendering tasks would be better with Ryzen but if the games are mainly single threaded such as some of the simulators then they will benefit more from a faster core speed which would favour the Intel.

 

[voidshatter]

in quite a lot of games

If this is true then why not going for Ryzen?

 

[Dicehunter]

What sort of games will be played on it? I guess the rendering tasks would be better with Ryzen but if the games are mainly single threaded such as some of the simulators then they will benefit more from a faster core speed which would favour the Intel.

All games will be in 1440P, Mainly things like WoW, Gears of War, The Witcher.

If this is true then why not going for Ryzen?

Because a handful of specific games is not all games.

 

[RSR]

I'd say it depends, if you play a lot of older titles Intel will be the better option, but newer games will scale better on Ryzen CPU's.

I think this video helps to illustrate this:

 

[haszek]

Maximum fps will be better for 7700k, yes (<10%) but minimum would be equal or better for ryzen (especially if you leave some other apps in the background it's going to be better for cpu with more cores), so gaming experience might be more smooth on ryzen (less drops). Unless he really needs high fps for high refresh rates and that is most important for him. Dunno, never had 144 refresh monitor, never played pro, so not sure if you feel the difference between like 135 and 120 fps.

Rendering is obviously gonna benefit more cores (ryzen). Not sure what GPU, but it might benefit more to save on CPU (buy R5 1600) and add £100+ for better GPU which would benefit gaming more than a difference between 1600/1700/7700k.

 

[Martini1991]

I'd pick the 1700 myself.

 

[DragonQ]

The general rule is the newer the game, the better Ryzen will perform relative to Intel. Any kind of rendering will be far quicker with Ryzen. Why are you considering the 1700X rather than the 1700? Do you not want to overclock?

 

[Simon Belmont]

Many reviews say the 7700k is the better cpu for pure gaming, but the price performance the ryzen 1700x is the better buy over all. Personally I would wait for coffeelake which should be released in Aug.

 

[~>Dg<~]

7700k is the better gaming chip.rendering ryzen will be better but with the new intel 6 cores and the king intel x299 chips out soon the only reason to go ryzen is price.not performance.the good thing is when the intel chips are out the ryzen stuff will drop a bit so better pricing on that if you on a tighter budget.no way would i buy anything at this moment.

 

[Panos]

Building a rig for a family member and can't decide on which CPU to go with, Now that the bios updates are coming thick and fast with high speed memory I've seen performance on a 4GHz 1700X match or exceed the 7700K at 5GHz in quite a lot of games but then there comes the question of whether some games take advantage of those extra cores and threads.

I have to build the rig within the next 2 weeks so can't wait for whatever Intel throws out next in August.

So, Pros and cons, 7700K or 1700X ?

Get the Ryzen. Don't look max overclocks, they are bit misleading.
I have atm a 6800K @4ghz and everything is faster compared to the 6700K @4.8ghz. Even world of tanks which is a single thread game. More cores means more work (background services) spread around and not cramped to 4 cores. Let alone games who consume more cores and their perf is far higher.

 

[DragonQ]

7700k is the better gaming chip.rendering ryzen will be better but with the new intel 6 cores and the king intel x299 chips out soon the only reason to go ryzen is price.not performance.the good thing is when the intel chips are out the ryzen stuff will drop a bit so better pricing on that if you on a tighter budget.no way would i buy anything at this moment.

Price and performance are instrinsically linked, so it doesn't make much sense to say the only reason to buy Ryzen is price. You could equally say the only reason to buy Intel is if you have an unlimited budget.

Waiting for X299 and X399 (lol AMD wins naming wars) is certainly a good idea if you are prepared to pay more for an even better CPU. If you're only considering CPUs in the i7-7700K/R7 1700X price bracket though then there isn't much point waiting for more expensive, higher-end CPUs to come out.

 

[~>Dg<~]

well there is because intel has newer cpus coming in that price range.also intel cpus are still better in games.the guy above mentioned about more cores but the 6800k is better in games than ryzen anyway.

so factor in new intel chips faster than ryzen at similar price very shortly.that's not saying any of the chips mentioned are bad they aren't but if you not in a rush and they so close to release why wouldnt you wait ?

i get people say buy now forget waiting when its 6-12months but when its literally weeks away now and most people keep a high end systems for 3-5 years.you might aswell have the best for your system when you buy it.


so ryzen will drop price a little and get ready for next revision.

also when people say intel are more expensive they factor in short term value when as pointed out its often a 3-5 year experience which if intel is at the top more than amd over that period you got better value/ performance from that extra £50-£100 over 3-5 years from the intel set up.

 

[Tom B]

also when people say intel are more expensive they factor in short term value when as pointed out its often a 3-5 year experience which if intel is at the top more than amd over that period you got better value/ performance from that extra £50-£100 over 3-5 years from the intel set up.

This is true, but with the current generation of chips, you might find that Ryzen with more cores and slightly worse single threaded performance will look better than a quad core intel in 3-5 years.

 

[EHD]

Multicore tasks are only going to get more important over the next few years. I'd happily sacrifice some single threaded gaming performance for much better multithreaded performance.

 

[~>Dg<~]

This is true, but with the current generation of chips, you might find that Ryzen with more cores and slightly worse single threaded performance will look better than a quad core intel in 3-5 years.

which is why i said wait for the next new multicore chips from intel

 

[haszek]

which is why i said wait for the next new multicore chips from intel

Those are not realistic setups for gaming. How much it's gonna be with basic motherboard? £500 more?

While 6 core from AMD with mobo is for £270-300. CPU's have little influence on gaming in comparison to GPU why waste all of this if you can upgrade your build with something that will actually improve gaming quality/fps for all this money?

 

[AllBodies]

1700X gets my vote (I'd actually go for the 1700 non-X then overclock it if I were you).

The only thing the 7700K is better at is single-threaded tasks (i.e. old games), and such tasks are becoming rarer.

If you're concerned about the longevity of the PC, the 1700X will end up being much faster in a few years time.