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7700K or 1700X ?

I would go with Ryzen as well. Apart from WoW the other games you play won't perform that badly compared to the Intel, the difference will be small. And even then, from what I've seen WoW's performance issues is usually on their side. For rendering Ryzen will trash the 7700K easily.

As for overclocking yes the 7700K is the better choice but unless you plan to delid it can get quite hot.
 
well there is because intel has newer cpus coming in that price range.also intel cpus are still better in games.the guy above mentioned about more cores but the 6800k is better in games than ryzen anyway.

Actually in March both were on my hands. Initially the 1700X @ 4Ghz but 5 days later the CH6 decided to stop working somehow (see my signature, had the same issue as many had with the Asus RIVE boards).

So had to RMA the lot and got the 6800K due to the lack of X370 boards, the price was the same at the 1700X, and didn't had to wait for two weeks, while it was madness to get a 7700K going back to 4core CPUs at that time (March).

Having used in a span of a single week, a 6700K @ 4.8, a 1700X @ 4Ghz and the 6800K @ 4Ghz the later two were far better on gaming than the former (6700K).
Especially on single thread game like WOT they both performed exactly the same, managing to get 120fps in WOT (engine fps cap), something that even the X79 platform I had (4820K@5Ghz, [email protected]) hadn't manage to do. And all with the same FuryX @ 1100/550 or Nano @ 1100/550.

If someone sees how the threads were spread on the 6700K the game run on core 2 always, and that core was running at 90% constantly.
On both 1700X and 6800K, is running on core 5 and 4 respectively, and never exceeds 60% usage. While the rest of the services like Teamspeak, Internet radio, background running Steam, and a browser are more spread out around the cores.

Also the 1700X felt faster on all other games compared to the 6800K (let alone the 6700K), like The Division (especially DZ PvP), TW Warhammer and especially TESO which used all the 16 threads in Cyrodil (hence getting the 16/32 if price is right at around £1000 mark). The 6700K @ 4.8Ghz feels pathetic in front of them, because especially in Cyrodil (TESO) was running at 100% all the time, and the GPU was snoring at 15-25% usage (same applied to the GTX1080 I had last year for few months which usage was even lower) and low fps.
With the 6+ core CPUs runs much better and still has big headroom for improvement. Which is expected when you have few hundred people per side to trying attack-defend a keep in a pretty huge area. See also the posts from those who play 64man BF1, and how better their 8 core CPU runs compared to a 4 core.

Yes yes the "benchmarks" don't state that, but there is a big difference between fixed and scripted benchmarks and physically playing multiplayer games especially.

And I do not go down the productivity aka Unity Engine rendering, which I do for the game I am writing. On which the 6700K feels like a 386 in front of a Pentium II.
 
If I didn't have motherboard issues I would still be on a 3rd gen i7 cpu. My 7700K @ 5.1ghz offers me very little over my old 3770K 4.5ghz.. Gaming, rendering and general useage wise. Buying a system now its almost better to look at the s/hand market. Pricing for new components now alone is just plain pathetic..
 
I have both a 7700k and an 1800x, the 1800x and motherboard are going back to Amazon for a refund tomorrow.

first off, ryzen is an immature platform, memory issues are a thing, my 4x8gb 3200mhz ram only works at 2666 on ryzen, on the 7700k it runs at 3600mhz with the same voltage, even 1.45v isn't enough for the ryzen system. (running latest bios crosshair 6)


the 1800x is a pig to overclock, with Intel go into bios, set an adaptive voltage and clock speed, done.

with ryzen? you have to use pstate overclocking, (using hex codes for multipliers) and the voltage control isn't as stable, my cpu goes from 1.4 to 1.45v during stress tests, changing LLC has no effect on this.

at 4ghz on the 1800x, and 5ghz on the 7700k the Intel system is much much snappier, programs open faster, even general tasks like web browsing feel smoother, it boots much MUCH quicker too, the post times on ryzen are terrible at the moment.

overall ryzen has been a let down for me, it's going back and I'm just gonna spend the extra £100 to get a 7820x from intel.

in most games I play , rainbow six siege, the division, witcher 3, Skyrim fallout 4 and a host of others the 7700k felt smoother, there's a weird bug with ryzen and mouse lag (lots of people on reddit have said the same) and it's definitely noticeable.
 
Actually in March both were on my hands. Initially the 1700X @ 4Ghz but 5 days later the CH6 decided to stop working somehow (see my signature, had the same issue as many had with the Asus RIVE boards).

So had to RMA the lot and got the 6800K due to the lack of X370 boards, the price was the same at the 1700X, and didn't had to wait for two weeks, while it was madness to get a 7700K going back to 4core CPUs at that time (March).

Having used in a span of a single week, a 6700K @ 4.8, a 1700X @ 4Ghz and the 6800K @ 4Ghz the later two were far better on gaming than the former (6700K).
Especially on single thread game like WOT they both performed exactly the same, managing to get 120fps in WOT (engine fps cap), something that even the X79 platform I had (4820K@5Ghz, [email protected]) hadn't manage to do. And all with the same FuryX @ 1100/550 or Nano @ 1100/550.

If someone sees how the threads were spread on the 6700K the game run on core 2 always, and that core was running at 90% constantly.
On both 1700X and 6800K, is running on core 5 and 4 respectively, and never exceeds 60% usage. While the rest of the services like Teamspeak, Internet radio, background running Steam, and a browser are more spread out around the cores.

Also the 1700X felt faster on all other games compared to the 6800K (let alone the 6700K), like The Division (especially DZ PvP), TW Warhammer and especially TESO which used all the 16 threads in Cyrodil (hence getting the 16/32 if price is right at around £1000 mark). The 6700K @ 4.8Ghz feels pathetic in front of them, because especially in Cyrodil (TESO) was running at 100% all the time, and the GPU was snoring at 15-25% usage (same applied to the GTX1080 I had last year for few months which usage was even lower) and low fps.
With the 6+ core CPUs runs much better and still has big headroom for improvement. Which is expected when you have few hundred people per side to trying attack-defend a keep in a pretty huge area. See also the posts from those who play 64man BF1, and how better their 8 core CPU runs compared to a 4 core.

Yes yes the "benchmarks" don't state that, but there is a big difference between fixed and scripted benchmarks and physically playing multiplayer games especially.

And I do not go down the productivity aka Unity Engine rendering, which I do for the game I am writing. On which the 6700K feels like a 386 in front of a Pentium II.

Very helpful thank you. Ryzen it is!
 
I have both a 7700k and an 1800x, the 1800x and motherboard are going back to Amazon for a refund tomorrow.

first off, ryzen is an immature platform, memory issues are a thing, my 4x8gb 3200mhz ram only works at 2666 on ryzen, on the 7700k it runs at 3600mhz with the same voltage, even 1.45v isn't enough for the ryzen system. (running latest bios crosshair 6)


the 1800x is a pig to overclock, with Intel go into bios, set an adaptive voltage and clock speed, done.

with ryzen? you have to use pstate overclocking, (using hex codes for multipliers) and the voltage control isn't as stable, my cpu goes from 1.4 to 1.45v during stress tests, changing LLC has no effect on this.

at 4ghz on the 1800x, and 5ghz on the 7700k the Intel system is much much snappier, programs open faster, even general tasks like web browsing feel smoother, it boots much MUCH quicker too, the post times on ryzen are terrible at the moment.

overall ryzen has been a let down for me, it's going back and I'm just gonna spend the extra £100 to get a 7820x from intel.

in most games I play , rainbow six siege, the division, witcher 3, Skyrim fallout 4 and a host of others the 7700k felt smoother, there's a weird bug with ryzen and mouse lag (lots of people on reddit have said the same) and it's definitely noticeable.

CH6 is hit and miss unfortunately. And burned my 1700X :(
MSI, Asrock & Gigabyte have better X370 boards unfortunately. Hell even the B350 Tomahawk is much better.
 
I have both a 7700k and an 1800x, the 1800x and motherboard are going back to Amazon for a refund tomorrow.

first off, ryzen is an immature platform, memory issues are a thing, my 4x8gb 3200mhz ram only works at 2666 on ryzen, on the 7700k it runs at 3600mhz with the same voltage, even 1.45v isn't enough for the ryzen system. (running latest bios crosshair 6)


the 1800x is a pig to overclock, with Intel go into bios, set an adaptive voltage and clock speed, done.

with ryzen? you have to use pstate overclocking, (using hex codes for multipliers) and the voltage control isn't as stable, my cpu goes from 1.4 to 1.45v during stress tests, changing LLC has no effect on this.

at 4ghz on the 1800x, and 5ghz on the 7700k the Intel system is much much snappier, programs open faster, even general tasks like web browsing feel smoother, it boots much MUCH quicker too, the post times on ryzen are terrible at the moment.

overall ryzen has been a let down for me, it's going back and I'm just gonna spend the extra £100 to get a 7820x from intel.

in most games I play , rainbow six siege, the division, witcher 3, Skyrim fallout 4 and a host of others the 7700k felt smoother, there's a weird bug with ryzen and mouse lag (lots of people on reddit have said the same) and it's definitely noticeable.

Sounds like you didn't do your research before buying. 4x8gb is a stretch for even the best kits. I'm running 3466 with 8*2.
Vdroop occurs on all CPUs llc above level 3 isn't advised due to overshoot. It is recommended you set the voltage higher than needed so it's got enough for when it drops under load.
Boot times are slower yes, but 15 seconds is hardly a problem.
As for your mouse issue, a few of us here had that due and it seemed to tie in with software
 
Sounds like you didn't do your research before buying. 4x8gb is a stretch for even the best kits. I'm running 3466 with 8*2.
Vdroop occurs on all CPUs llc above level 3 isn't advised due to overshoot. It is recommended you set the voltage higher than needed so it's got enough for when it drops under load.
Boot times are slower yes, but 15 seconds is hardly a problem.
As for your mouse issue, a few of us here had that due and it seemed to tie in with software


alrrady had the ram, worked fine at 3600mhz on an Intel system, wasn't going to throw another 200+ for half the ram capacity I currently had.

vdroop on ryzen is much more erratic the anything I've ever seen, I tried different voltages going down in small increments but it just wasn't stable.

other than that I just didn't think it was a great setup, performance in games was much slower than expected, overall usage felt slower from opening programs to browsing the web, to me my whole system just felt like it had a downgrade.
 
I have both a 7700k and an 1800x, the 1800x and motherboard are going back to Amazon for a refund tomorrow.

first off, ryzen is an immature platform, memory issues are a thing, my 4x8gb 3200mhz ram only works at 2666 on ryzen, on the 7700k it runs at 3600mhz with the same voltage, even 1.45v isn't enough for the ryzen system. (running latest bios crosshair 6)


the 1800x is a pig to overclock, with Intel go into bios, set an adaptive voltage and clock speed, done.

with ryzen? you have to use pstate overclocking, (using hex codes for multipliers) and the voltage control isn't as stable, my cpu goes from 1.4 to 1.45v during stress tests, changing LLC has no effect on this.

at 4ghz on the 1800x, and 5ghz on the 7700k the Intel system is much much snappier, programs open faster, even general tasks like web browsing feel smoother, it boots much MUCH quicker too, the post times on ryzen are terrible at the moment.

overall ryzen has been a let down for me, it's going back and I'm just gonna spend the extra £100 to get a 7820x from intel.

in most games I play , rainbow six siege, the division, witcher 3, Skyrim fallout 4 and a host of others the 7700k felt smoother, there's a weird bug with ryzen and mouse lag (lots of people on reddit have said the same) and it's definitely noticeable.

No disrespect but if you bought an 1800X with the purpose of Overclocking you likely have done very little research. I did virtually no research myself (besides the odd 8Pack tip here), bought a 1700 and 64Gb of ram from OCuk (as suggested by 8pack), my effort to Overclock has been trivial, the CPU is at 3.8GHz (stock cooler) 64Gb of ram at 2993MHz (loose timings) on an Asus Prime Pro X370, not a Pstate/Voltage change in sight.

Given BIOS updates and some Boredom I'll see how high it can go checkout tighter times etc, bang for buck I suspect intel are still a long way off though results of the X299 responses will be both welcome and interesting.
 
alrrady had the ram, worked fine at 3600mhz on an Intel system, wasn't going to throw another 200+ for half the ram capacity I currently had.

vdroop on ryzen is much more erratic the anything I've ever seen, I tried different voltages going down in small increments but it just wasn't stable.

other than that I just didn't think it was a great setup, performance in games was much slower than expected, overall usage felt slower from opening programs to browsing the web, to me my whole system just felt like it had a downgrade.

I have to say you seem to be in the minority here. Maybe you had a hardware conflict or a faulty component.
My general experience has been positive. Gaming is the same or better than my 4770.
Desktop use you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.
Alt tabbing during games is much faster on the ryzen and the boot times are slower.
I could do a blind test with my rigs and you wouldn't tell in games.
 
I have to say you seem to be in the minority here. Maybe you had a hardware conflict or a faulty component.
My general experience has been positive. Gaming is the same or better than my 4770.
Desktop use you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.
Alt tabbing during games is much faster on the ryzen and the boot times are slower.
I could do a blind test with my rigs and you wouldn't tell in games.

gaming just felt....slow on my ryzen, I mean I noticed my fps was fairly lower than my 7700k (use a titan Xp) but overall just didn't enjoy it, the skylake release.just cemented it in to get rid tbh, £100 more for the best single threaded performance, more multithreaded performance on a more mature platform (since the architecture isn't different)
 
No disrespect but if you bought an 1800X with the purpose of Overclocking you likely have done very little research. I did virtually no research myself (besides the odd 8Pack tip here), bought a 1700 and 64Gb of ram from OCuk (as suggested by 8pack), my effort to Overclock has been trivial, the CPU is at 3.8GHz (stock cooler) 64Gb of ram at 2993MHz (loose timings) on an Asus Prime Pro X370, not a Pstate/Voltage change in sight.

Given BIOS updates and some Boredom I'll see how high it can go checkout tighter times etc, bang for buck I suspect intel are still a long way off though results of the X299 responses will be both welcome and interesting.

I got the 1800x as I wanted the best chance of getting 4ghz/better binned chip, I've seen many 1700 users that couldn't get past 3.7 or 3.8ghz so wanted the better binned item.
 
I have both a 7700k and an 1800x, the 1800x and motherboard are going back to Amazon for a refund tomorrow.

first off, ryzen is an immature platform, memory issues are a thing, my 4x8gb 3200mhz ram only works at 2666 on ryzen, on the 7700k it runs at 3600mhz with the same voltage, even 1.45v isn't enough for the ryzen system. (running latest bios crosshair 6)

the 1800x is a pig to overclock, with Intel go into bios, set an adaptive voltage and clock speed, done.

with ryzen? you have to use pstate overclocking, (using hex codes for multipliers) and the voltage control isn't as stable, my cpu goes from 1.4 to 1.45v during stress tests, changing LLC has no effect on this.

at 4ghz on the 1800x, and 5ghz on the 7700k the Intel system is much much snappier, programs open faster, even general tasks like web browsing feel smoother, it boots much MUCH quicker too, the post times on ryzen are terrible at the moment.

overall ryzen has been a let down for me, it's going back and I'm just gonna spend the extra £100 to get a 7820x from intel.

in most games I play , rainbow six siege, the division, witcher 3, Skyrim fallout 4 and a host of others the 7700k felt smoother, there's a weird bug with ryzen and mouse lag (lots of people on reddit have said the same) and it's definitely noticeable.

Same here, I had a 4790k with a Z97 chipset, upgraded to the 1800x, Gigabyte K7 and 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz RAM (2x 16GB), no issues running at 3000mhz though. Ran it for two weeks but just wasn't happy overall, 1080 Ti's in SLI ran worse, SSD ran significantly slower in 4K reads/writes and boot times were slower. I switched to a 7700k and a Asus ROG Z270 Formula with the same RAM and the same Windows install.

First thing I noticed were boot times were twice as fast, Windows ran far snappier and programs opened significantly quicker. SSD performance was back to where it should be and my 1080 Ti's in SLI are running much better. Even in gaming my mins and average frame rates for me were much better on the 7700k than the 1800x. Even looking the frame time graph with afterburner, the 7700k was doing significantly better, far less spikes and lower milliseconds between frames.

This was gaming maxed out at 4K and yet Intel still did a far better job for me.

As much as I liked the extra cores Ryzen for me is to immature just yet and hopefully will run much better on the 2nd gen of chips.

My vote goes to the 7700k if gaming is the main use.

Here was my 1800x userbench run.

http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/3699889

and my 7700K run

http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/3770566

And 3DMark Firestrike against the two.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12684103/fs/12627099
 
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"quite a lot of" vs "a handful of", I think you've made your mind for Ryzen already!

I pick 7700K@5GHz because I see the other way around.

/sigh

Quite a lot in the review but in retrospect to how many games there are in existence it's not a lot, Not that hard to understand.
 
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