8 PACK MEMORY RANGE GROWING: SAY HELLO TO 8 PACK RIPPED EDITION & 32GB KITS!!!

just ordered the ripped edition for £99 :) look forward to having a tinker with them.
 
Last edited:
I'm New on this forum and want to say Hi to everybody. I was wondering if anybody else is having a similar problem as mine.
Been using my "16gb ripped edition" B die ram in a asus X570 gaming board with no problems and getting fantastic results.
I've just changed my board to the new "MSI x570 tomahawk wifi and now these sticks wont boot into the bios. :(
I'm having to run the board with cheap Corsair sticks which boot up and run fine.
I have updated the bios to the latest and still no joy. Any thoughts anyone ?
 
Pchub_fan said:
I'm New on this forum and want to say Hi to everybody. I was wondering if anybody else is having a similar problem as mine.
Been using my "16gb ripped edition" B die ram in a asus X570 gaming board with no problems and getting fantastic results.
I've just changed my board to the new "MSI x570 tomahawk wifi and now these sticks wont boot into the bios. :(
I'm having to run the board with cheap Corsair sticks which boot up and run fine.
I have updated the bios to the latest and still no joy. Any thoughts anyone ?
Click to expand...

Have you tried just a single stick of the 8 Pack RAM in all the slots, sounds to me you may have got a faulty kit as Samsung B Die tends to have no compatibility issues and just works.
 
Pchub_fan said:
I'm New on this forum and want to say Hi to everybody. I was wondering if anybody else is having a similar problem as mine.
Been using my "16gb ripped edition" B die ram in a asus X570 gaming board with no problems and getting fantastic results.
I've just changed my board to the new "MSI x570 tomahawk wifi and now these sticks wont boot into the bios. :(
I'm having to run the board with cheap Corsair sticks which boot up and run fine.
I have updated the bios to the latest and still no joy. Any thoughts anyone ?
Click to expand...

Odd that they worked in your old MB yet don't work in the new one, it's clearly not the board as the corsair sticks wouldn't work. My only thought would be maybe ESD occourred when moving them between the boards but this would only usually happen to 1 stick.

Try removing the bios battery for 5 mins and as gibbo suggested try one stick at a time.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. Tried each stick on its own and one of them works and the other doesn't. Overclockers are going to exchange them for me.
Thanks once again. :)
 
Pchub_fan said:
I'm New on this forum and want to say Hi to everybody. I was wondering if anybody else is having a similar problem as mine.
Been using my "16gb ripped edition" B die ram in a asus X570 gaming board with no problems and getting fantastic results.
I've just changed my board to the new "MSI x570 tomahawk wifi and now these sticks wont boot into the bios. :(
I'm having to run the board with cheap Corsair sticks which boot up and run fine.
I have updated the bios to the latest and still no joy. Any thoughts anyone ?
Click to expand...


Have you still got access the Asus board (eg is it still in a case etc) to pop the mem back in there to see if any issue now arises in that mobo.

if the new board has those horrible 1 sided dimm retainers try reseating and also if you are using the recommended slots try using the other 2 for dual and as other user mentioned try 1 stick in the recommended slot for 1 dimm useage and then try the other module in the same dimm socket if first one doesn't boot ( but a cmos clear will def be needed) to help diagnose and help you rule out things
 
Can't retry asus board without stripping my new build down to do so. Tried the above suggestions, one stick is definitely dead. OCUK gonna swap them out for me.
 
GregI said:
Ripped kit is £99.95 right now if you want to test it out @MrPils
Click to expand...
Missed that, but must admit these do not seem to be any different from the Patriot 4400mhz kits. The only remaining temptation for me is TRCD 14 @ 3800mhz, and these sticks wont do that (excluding the fact you can always get really really lucky with any kit you buy) with all TRRD and TFAW throttling turned off @ 1T. As far as Im aware the only two higher bins are 7.5ns (C15 @ 4000mhz) and 7.37ns (C14 @ 3800mhz). I know where to get both these g.skill kits, the 7.37ns kit is actually cheaper at around £185 but do I want to blow £185 to take the risk? It doesn't seem like anyone has bought either kit and tried to run them with throttling turned off, given I couldn't in good faith return them if they don't hit TRCD 14 then I don't think I'll be taking the chance for marginal gains unless I get a surprise windfall sometime soon. But then that would likely go on Ampere so...

Anyway, this is where my Patriots are at, these are final timings and 24/7 stable. TM5 took me down a different path but got me better tertiary timings by sacrificing a tiny bit of tWR and tRTP - a good trade off. Im currently working down the vSOC, vDDG, vIOD and vDDP voltages, they're at what I would consider max safe 24/7 in my screenshot. I'm currently testing at 1100 / 1050 / 850 / 925 in order and have just passed 2 hours on TM5 so seems to be stable. Needs testing in game though. Interesting fact - tRAS 21 / tRC 33 passed all prime/tm5/hci/realbench/3dmark tests but crashes to desktop or reboots the pc in actual 3d gaming within 10 minutes. If I reduce any other timing at all now I get a no post...limit reached! :D

Quick thanks to @glnn_23 as i didnt know TM5 (or zen timings actually) existed before I saw his screenshots. Made life MUCH easier, TM5 picks up errors in 20 minutes that takes HCI memtest literally hours. Id still recommend doing a long HCI and Prime run at the end, but using TM5 for memory stability has proven to be 99.9% accurate for me, excluding the weird super low tRAS behaviour. It made this possible as this would have taken an eternity using HCI and Prime. :cool:

uc
 
alec said:
Sort of in topic
Ryzen memory scaling in games review by Guru3d
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-ram-scaling-effect-in-games,9.html
index.php


Both dual rank (and 4x8) configurations perform admirably at 3200 CL14
4x16GB 3200 CL14 beating 2x8 3733 CL14 IF 1:1 in all games.
I had no idea Ryzen likes dual rank so much.
Click to expand...

This intrigued me, however I had no 4 slot board to test with so did the best I could with two slots to try and figure out if i could confirm the gains shown by dual rank once some actual timing tuning was done. I theorise this should extrapolate up to 4 x 16gb too where timing gains are likely to be far harder to implement. After days of tinkering around with my old Corsair C16 LPX 3333mhz X99 64gb kit I came to the conclusion that its only faster for Guru3D because Ryzen doesn't slacken tertiary timings much at all on auto settings when going dual rank (and by extension quad rank). On Intel platforms the bios will aggressively loosen tertiary timings to ensure stability (resulting in a loss in performance about equivalent to or sometimes greater than) the gain from having multiple ranks, thus giving the impression AMD likes multiple ranks more than Intel.

What this means for an end user is if you are buying your ram to run at XMP or only do some light tuning of primary timings then you will always get better results with dual rank and quad rank setups. However if you are willing to invest the time in tuning your tertiary timings (Secondaries arent much different to single rank) then you cannot get anywhere near single rank performance with two or four ranks. Even with two dual rank sticks its impossible to tighten the SCL's below 4 let alone four dual ranks, you'll likely be stuck at SCL 5 with TWRWR and TRDRD settings to match. It was also impossible to run tRDWR below 10 or tWRRD below 4 @ 1T.

GDM enabled allowed a setting of tRDWR 8 and tWRRD 2 and an odd primary timing set of 16-15-8-14 but not being able to run CL15 with GDM enabled and being limited to SCLs around 4/5 meant that true performance could never be achieved.

Disclaimer - These are OLD sticks, manufactured in late 2016. They may not clock as well as current sticks, but the timings I was able to achieve seem broadly representative of current 3600mhz 16-16-16 2 x 16gb kits. I don't own anything newer in 16gb format, if any improvements are to be found in newer chips I would expect them to run better at 1T and maybe do CL14 rather than be able to cut down on SCL's and TRCD. That felt like memory controller/chipset limits, not memory stick limits. They would post and boot windows at way lower timings but stability was never remotely within reach. As you can see from the below screenshot I never came close to my single sided sticks 24/7 performance even with bench stable only settings.

uc


TLDR - 16Gb sticks are faster than 8GB sticks if you only tweak primary timings or run XMP. 8GB sticks are much faster than 16GB sticks if you're a masochist and put yourself through the hell of tuning the full set of timings.
 
Guys, I'm stuck choosing between the 32GB quad channel 3200mhz cl14 kit vs the 3600mhz cl16 kit. This is for my X299 system.

Am I right in thinking the 3600mhz kit is only beneficial if I intend to overclock ?
 
Technically 3200mhz C14 is a higher bin than 3600mhz c16 anyway, Id get the C14 kit whether overclocking or not :)

I was looking at the 8 pack 4 x 8 c14 kit earlier, that's a great deal for £199.99. Proper heatsinks too not "spreaders".

Anyway, if not a tinkerer definitely get the 3200 c14 kit. Less worry about auto doing stupid things to your vccio and vccsa voltages.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom