8700k pre-binned question

[Storrm]

Does this mean OC open all their 8700k's and test them to see what speed they will hit, and then bin them accordingly, or do they only open a percentage of incoming stock?

 

[gavinh87]

Does this mean OC open all their 8700k's and test them to see what speed they will hit, and then bin them accordingly, or do they only open a percentage of incoming stock?

Well, they did it with all of the 8700k's they had available today.
In future the retail will be available as normal.

 

[Storrm]

I'm just trying to understand why there is a premium being charged for the chips that reach high clock speeds. Do Intel charge a premium for those types of chips?

 

[8 Pack]

No they don't but the work and cost of binning, then deliding then retesting the delid is costly and time consuming.

These products are effectively uprated Intel models normally stock is 4.7 with these stock is 5g+ with upto 25c better thermals and full warranty.

5.2 cpu are one in 30 so an average end user has to invalidate the warranty delid 30 cpu's to find one.

We normally only test oem system stocks but because of low stock and indeed no stock for systems we binned all retail to fulfill these areas of our business.

 

[Storrm]

thanks 8 Pack. I understand now

 

[Blueglue]

No they don't but the work and cost of binning, then deliding then retesting the delid is costly and time consuming.

These products are effectively uprated Intel models normally stock is 4.7 with these stock is 5g+ with upto 25c better thermals and full warranty.

5.2 cpu are one in 30 so an average end user has to invalidate the warranty delid 30 cpu's to find one.

We normally only test oem system stocks but because of low stock and indeed no stock for systems we binned all retail to fulfill these areas of our business.

So i purchased one of your 8700k CPU's today rated for 5ghz. Do i just slap that in my Asus Hero set the voltage to 1.35v and 50x multiplier and sit back with an XMP setting on the memory? I stopped overclocking years ago but always carried on with Watercooling etc.. so its going into a 240 radiator x 2 loop with aD5 pump.

*edit* apologies for the hijack

 

[8 Pack]

Yeah that simple 50 ratio all cores, cache 4.4 xmp even set 1.4v and llc then your totally assured testing is 1.35-1.4V. Sa and io according to mem speed. Start at 1.05 on each. Use it.....

 

[RichUK]

You opened and binned retail 8700ks?

That's price gouging at its best.

 

[8 Pack]

Ofcourse that's all we got. Systems and binned cpu's make more money and end users are getting an uplifted stock product.

Ie 5g with 25c better thermals.

5g already sold out so some saw the value. We also sold several 5.1 so.........

 

[Blueglue]

Yeah that simple 55 ratio all cores, cache 4.4 xmp even set 1.4v and llc then your totally assured testing is 1.35-1.4V. Use it.....

Cheers for the quick reply.


Im not sure why everyone is getting beat up over the binned CPU's. Its a great return for OCUK and to be fair i would sooner spends a little extra having someone properly delid it and make sure its upto scratch as it looks like a bit of a bruiser for thermals. Its a shame Intel dosnt put them together better in the first place.

This is coming from a guy who took a angle grinder to his car to change the air filter and the brake discs. im well ham fisted doing these type of things.

 

[8 Pack]

If we offered it for free they would all buy.

But our binned and delid cpu ranges for the last 3 generations of Z Chipset cpu's have sold hundreds and hundreds. It's a usp to buy from ocuk and another reason why we lead the pack.

 

[Storrm]

as long as you aren't binning them all and simply putting the 'normal' ones back into retail stock, people can pay their monies and take their chances

 

[Journey]

If we offered it for free they would all buy.

I still say you should have it as a service on the tray CPU SKU's, for £30ish, but not binned, just de-lidded. I mean who really cares about a one year warranty on a product that very rarely goes wrong unless you mishandle it.

 

[8 Pack]

We don't have any none binned stock.

Normally as stated over 10 times previously we only bin system assigned oem stocks.

 

[8 Pack]

I still say you should have it as a service on the tray CPU SKU's, for £30ish, but not binned, just de-lidded. I mean who really cares about a one year warranty on a product that very rarely goes wrong unless you mishandle it.

Again this is low margin and not worth the time to pretest then delid then retest. Remember even if your not binning you have to test initially to check pre delid temperature. Every cpu is different.

 

[Gibbo]

as long as you aren't binning them all and simply putting the 'normal' ones back into retail stock, people can pay their monies and take their chances

This does not happen, plus retail Intel SKU is sealed.

Our binning normally only uses OEM/Tray product, they are binned accordingly and booked into their relevant speeds which are advertised online and surplus stock is set aside for our system integration business.

Retail stock is normally never touched and if we did and they did not meet the binning grade they would simply become OEM stock set aside for our system integration and not offered online. Anyone buying online is getting a brand new un-used processor and as such the lottery is purely your own on how well it clocks.

As Intel had next to nothing stock wise, infact I think OcUK was the ONLY retailer in the UK with i7-8700K and i5-8600K in stock. I made the decision to have 8 Pack bin all the 8700K stock for several reasons:
- Only reseller in the world with binned Coffee Lake at launch and in stock
- Of course on binned processors we make more money as can be seen, though of course the whole de-lidding and binning procedure is very time consuming, so its not a free service nor one we intend on offering cheap, its a very specialised service and is why so few companies offer it worldwide and its a massive success for us and continues to grow.
- If our regular 8700K SKU had showed in stock, the website would have failed to update quick enough resulting in 200-300 orders for a product we only had 30 off, as such to show pre-order with a delivery end of month eases customer expectation but at the same time they can still get one without paying over the odds if they are happy to wait, no competitors had stock as such it made sense.


All in all the result is a success for us, all the binned stock has sold out, we've pre-sold 100's of regular processors and those ordering know not to expect them until a few weeks so no disgruntle customers tomorrow when their delivery does not arrive as they know there was never any stock of regular 8700K.

I left the 8600K in stock and it sold very fast. We shall be looking at binned 8600K and 8350K in coming days/weeks also.

 

[waso_dude]

Yeah that simple 55 ratio all cores, cache 4.4 xmp even set 1.4v and llc then your totally assured testing is 1.35-1.4V. Use it.....

I've got mine arriving tomorrow, Its my first delidded chip - I havn't overclocked since my 3770k, is there anything I should be aware with to do with the delidding or the overclock settings?

 

[Reality|Bites]

So what temps were you getting before the delid and after the delid?
I'm not buying, only bought my 7700k a few months ago......yeah i'll tell myself that for a few weeks anyways.

 

[TallPaul1878]

So what temps were you getting before the delid and after the delid?
I'm not buying, only bought my 7700k a few months ago......yeah i'll tell myself that for a few weeks anyways.

I've watched a few reviews and they were showing over 20°C difference after delid and use Thermal Grizzly Liquid Metal.

I don't know what that really says about the whole process. Delid is amazing upgrade or Intel stock TIM is toothpaste!!!

 

[waso_dude]

I've seen reviews before temps were in the 80s after they were dropped to mid 60s. Which is insane drop in core temps.