Poll: 9/11. A Poll.

[BillytheImpaler]

If I were heartless, and if I didn't less 3,000 people died....if I could make billions out of it, and assert my power onto other countries and help acquientances. If all I had to do is put my feet up and just let it happen.

What's 3000 people compared to the gain of the inaction?

So what you're saying is that Bush's administration is extraordinarily adept and cabable of executing a large-scale, extremely well-organized hoax of inactivity without a single hiccough for a period of time in excess of five years?

 

[Bug One]

What the hell kind of poll is this.

You want to know what we think about all those innocent people dying .... and your only options are

A The US Government were incompetent
B The US Government did it on purpose.

How about blaming the people who were really responsible for those atrocious crimes instead of dreaming up idiotic conspiracy theories.

How can you say the American goverment is inept, what would have happened if they shot down those hijacked aircraft? Nothing in this world prepared anyone for the events of 9/11 and the actions suggested by hindsight would have caused international contrivoursy(sp), all hijackings in the past have been about personal agendas, money or power. None of which were included in 9/11.

I believe the US goverment did everything which was required of them before 9/11 and it went wrong on a horrible level.

But then hindsight is a wonderful thing and those actions which should have been taken, were taken in london when an innocent man was shot and I for one, although others will tell me I am wrong, say the police were justified in those actions given the circumstances which led to them, but I would not or could not justify such actions if 9/11 had not occured.

Well said. I completely agree.

 

[Sleepy]

What the hell kind of poll is this.

A poll to discover how many here are tinfoil hat wearing nut jobs.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

What the hell kind of poll is this.

A poll I asked for.

You want to know what we think about all those innocent people dying .... and your only options are

A The US Government were incompetent
B The US Government did it on purpose.

How about blaming the people who were really responsible for those atrocious crimes instead of dreaming up idiotic conspiracy theories.

Have you read any of my posts on this subject ? Where does it say that I believe Elvis masterminded this as leader of the New World Order from his hollowed out volcano ?

Look at some of my posts on the subject and you may just find that I believe that terrorists flew hijacked planes into the Twin Towers and I don't believe any of the bull**** about detonation charges being planted and explosive missiles attached to the airliners.

Please get your facts straight before launching into a very misinformed tirade.

 

[Bug One]

Please get your facts straight before launching into a very misinformed tirade.

The 'facts' are that you have asked for a poll with those two options. On their own, the results from this poll are irrelevant because you havent added a sensible option.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

The 'facts' are that you have asked for a poll with those two options. On their own, the results from this poll are irrelevant because you havent added a sensible option.

Well suggest one then ?

When I say the US Government were caught napping, that may be a plausible explanation when airliners slam into the tallest buildings in New York. They had intelligence and ignored it as it didn't seem credible ? They didn't have intelligence and didn't see it coming ? Intel came from foreign agencies but was ignored or discounted ? Surveillance operatives were removed from watching suspects or lost them ?

I think that may fall into the phrase caught napping ?

 

[Bug One]

Well suggest one then ?

I think KaHn's words that I quoted covered it very well.

Nothing in this world prepared anyone for the events of 9/11 and the actions suggested by hindsight would have caused international contrivoursy.


/ Edit, well aside from the spelling.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

I am also wondering where I said the US was inept ?

What security service can catch all threats in it's collective net ?

 

[Bug One]

I am also wondering where I said the US was inept ?

What security service can catch all threats in it's collective net ?

Sorry, I guess its just the wording of 'caught napping' implies to me that there there was some level of blame which can be put on the US security services.

I feel that there isn't.

 

[mysticsniper]

Caught napping isn't a fair assessment.
Being sucker punched by a guy in a nun's habit isn't exactly fair play.

9.11 was a one trick pony. Richard Reid's experience is testimony
to the fact that what happened on 9.11 won't happen again unless
the passengers want it to.

Clinton was in office for 8 years.
In that whole time he never made any significant policy statements
regarding foreign policy other than committing the US to the ideal
of a regime change in Iraq. He never told the US public about any
foreign group named al queda. If he had, Gore would be president.

GW2 was in office for 8 months. The first 2 months were spent
wresting the govt away from a reluctant Gore
WHO ALSO NEVER MENTIONED A NATIONAL THREAT ONCE.
None of the top executives in Clinton's admin were making
any concerns over terrorism known.
Clark and O' Neil didn't appear to be taken seriously by the previous admin.
Most of their claims could easily be dismissed as ploys to try to keep their jobs.
After all, if the stuff they claimed surely had any merit, then SURELY the
previous admin would have responded to such a threat if deemed credible.
Since they didn't, probably isn't....or not as things sometimes work out.

Due to Gores footdragging, he delayed GW2's intelligence group from
setting up. GW2's admin didn't on firm footing until late June.
That left them barely two months to sort out the intelligence data
left to them from the previous admin.
If Gore hadn't been such a soreloser, maybe GW2's intelligence crew
could have got a better idea of the looming threat if they had the time.

But we'll never know how that would have turned out.

Govt plot?
I have 250,000,000 reasons to think that's totally absurd.
Only foreigners or those totally unfamiliar with traditional American culture
would even give such an idea a minute's thought.

Too risky, if found out, the people and the military personel would
revolt against the bums and string them up on the Washington Mall.

 

[robmiller]

A combination of the government being caught napping and sheer incompetence on the day itself. That is, incompetence in the months leading up to September--Zacarias Moussaoui's laptop, amongst many other things--and incompetence on the day itself--miscommunication between federal departments, virtually everything NORAD did, Bush's shirking of the issue and (deliberate or not) delegation of power to subordinates, etc. etc.

Obviously, it's hard to stop a terrorist plot and hindsight is 20/20 but I think there were quite a few occasions where the US dropped the ball. What's done is done, though.

 

[BillytheImpaler]

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Nicely said, sir.

 

[MookJong]

For me it's neither, and I have no conclusion to what happened but I believe either.

An element of those in charge knew the attack was coming and intended to allow it to happen.

An element of those in charge knew an attack was coming but failed to act so basically it was down to neglegence.

But there is no way they didn't know somothing was going to happen, the evidence for this is presented clearly in "9/11 Press for Truth".

 

[MookJong]

I can't see how it could be a conspiracy.
It has been mentioned previously in the other thread I believe, but the loose change viewer's guide seems to debunk all the claims I've seen made by conspiracy theorists.

Nope, doesnt debunk any of the hard evidence only the absoloute rubbish spouted in Loose Change.

No mention of:
Able Danger
ISI money to Mohammed Atta
August 6th PBD document
Etc.

 

[dirtydog]

The poll questions are a bit black and white: either the US government knew nothing or they were directly involved? What about something in-between those two views, which is that a small number in the US government knew that something huge was gonna happen but kept quiet because they needed their 'catalysing event' in order to pursue their foreign policy goals.

 

[MookJong]

The poll questions are a bit black and white: either the US government knew nothing or they were directly involved? What about something in-between those two views, which is that a small number in the US government knew that something huge was gonna happen but kept quiet because they needed their 'catalysing event' in order to pursue their foreign policy goals.

Or a small number knew what was happening and failed to act, which is different from just "being caught sleeping".

 

[rayb74]

I think a new poll is in order !

 

[Hellsmk2]

I'm really not sure. I'm convinced there is a lot that we have not been told about the whole situation that could see a lot of very high heads role. There's enough news agencies the world over that have highlighted such instances (prominent articles from the BBC and Guardian in particular come to mind). There is a hell of a lot of unanswered questions too, especially in regards to the Pakistani secret services and the CIA links to some of the bombers (why was $100,000 paid to one of the bombers five days before from the secret services?, why are key suspects being prevented from being interviewed by anyone whilst being given the death penalty for other crimes even America has admitted they did not commit?).

There are a lot of legitimate questions that have been buried and will probably stay that way thanks to many absurd conspiracy theories that have surfaced in the 5 years since the attack.

This is what I hate about conspiracy theories: The second anything is labelled a conspiracy theory, it makes it impossible to ever confirm its truth. I'm adamant that there will be some subjects labelled as conspiracy theory are actually totally correct and true, but we'll never know because of its label. It's only a numbers game after all: There are thousands of theories on thousands of different topics, some of which are extremely plausible.

 

[Goldy]

Good poll.

30% still say a conspiracy! Whats wrong with you people?

 

[MookJong]

I'm really not sure. I'm convinced there is a lot that we have not been told about the whole situation that could see a lot of very high heads role. There's enough news agencies the world over that have highlighted such instances (prominent articles from the BBC and Guardian in particular come to mind). There is a hell of a lot of unanswered questions too, especially in regards to the Pakistani secret services and the CIA links to some of the bombers (why was $100,000 paid to one of the bombers five days before from the secret services?, why are key suspects being prevented from being interviewed by anyone whilst being given the death penalty for other crimes even America has admitted they did not commit?).

There are a lot of legitimate questions that have been buried and will probably stay that way thanks to many absurd conspiracy theories that have surfaced in the 5 years since the attack.

This is what I hate about conspiracy theories: The second anything is labelled a conspiracy theory, it makes it impossible to ever confirm its truth. I'm adamant that there will be some subjects labelled as conspiracy theory are actually totally correct and true, but we'll never know because of its label. It's only a numbers game after all: There are thousands of theories on thousands of different topics, some of which some extremely plausible.

Good post, finally someone speaking my language!