Poll: 9/11. A Poll.

[Berserker]

That's assuming he knew about it in the first place. I don't believe for a second that a man as thick has him could have much say in the running of his country. I see him as a spokesman that millions of Americans relate to who's manipulated by the hawks or whoever in the background. Completely OT but just the way I see him.

That much is a cast iron certainty, however, I consider "plausibile deniability" to be something that only works at the cinema. Sure, of course the President doesn't find out everything (especially in the case of a President as inept as GWB), but I doubt something this big would be amongt that. I simply don't buy the conspiracy - as is true of so many other conspiracy theories, they pick and choose the 'facts' they use and ignore anything that's inconvenient.

Oh, and for the record, I do believe that some part of the Government knew at least some of what was going on (there's plenty of evidence to back that up), but simply failed to put all the pieces together and/or realise the magnitude of the events.

 

[Hedge]

i cant vote either way. the poll options are both negative

 

[Al Vallario]

By watching Loose Change and a few other documentrys they really have swayed me towards "A conspiracy by the US Government"

I feel sorry for you.

By the way, the 7/7 London bombings were carried out by teenage mutant ninja turtles. This has been confirmed by scientific analysis and extensive research. I'm in the processing of piecing together some damning videos on the matter and I'm setting up an organisation to campaign for the government to tell us the truth. Anyone who doesn't agree with me is blind, ignorant or a sheep.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

I can't be arsed to look but is there any conspiracies about 7/7?
eg - it was done by Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles or Jews or The SAS etc?.

 

[red11]

I can't be arsed to look but is there any conspiracies about 7/7?
eg - it was done by Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles or Jews or The SAS etc?.

Wrong, it was the aliens.

 

[Ex-RoNiN]

Neither - it's a result of America's bad foreign policy. It sticks its nose in where it isn't wanted and then one day people got sick of this and hit back.

Yes and no - you are right in the bigger picture of things, but 9/11 specifically had Pearl Harbour written all over it. Clear signs there, but out of a mixture of incompetence and opportunism, they were not acted upon.

 

[Ex-RoNiN]

To those that are 100% with the Government, if you were a German citizen in the 40's would you believe rumours of Jewish death camps? afaik Hitler never stated just exactly what his "final solution" entailed.

Trains full of people arriving at a CC, then empty trains leaving and suddenly ash flying all over the place and looking at a camp that keeps getting trains in but the people in the camp never grow - might be a bit of a giveaway.

Don't let the gerries kid you - they knew exactly what was going on, but in their typical German ways they preferred to look the other way.

 

[alexakasloth]

There really is no solid(/ unbiased) evidence that I have seen for me to form any sort of opinion, and both of those poll options are anti-US, I think you should add another for the other side of the argument.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Trains full of people arriving at a CC, then empty trains leaving and suddenly ash flying all over the place and looking at a camp that keeps getting trains in but the people in the camp never grow - might be a bit of a giveaway.

Don't let the gerries kid you - they knew exactly what was going on, but in their typical German ways they preferred to look the other way.

And nor would he. He wanted to rid Europe of Jews and left the planning and dirty work to Himmler and Heydrich. A lot of records were destroyed by the Nazis as the Allies advanced.

 

[Ex-RoNiN]

And nor would he. He wanted to rid Europe of Jews and left the planning and dirty work to Himmler and Heydrich. A lot of records were destroyed by the Nazis as the Allies advanced.

The planning and dirty work would never have started had he not given the orders.

On 30/01/1939, Hitler announced in a speech at the Reichstag that the next world war will lead to the destruction of the Jewish race.

http://stevenlehrer.com/Hitler_threat.htm

 

[Von Smallhausen]

The planning and dirty work would never have started had he not given the orders.

On 30/01/1939, Hitler announced in a speech at the Reichstag that the next world war will lead to the destruction of the Jewish race.

http://stevenlehrer.com/Hitler_threat.htm

Well thats an interesting one as Himmler, Goering, Goebels, Heydrich were all vociferously anti-semitic. I just wonder if Hitler was not Chancellor would it have gone ahead.

Anyway. o/t.

 

[Berserker]

I think you should add another for the other side of the argument.

As I think I already said, I disagree. Either way the American Government should take the blame to some extent for either being unable or unwilling (delete as appropriate) to prevent it. They knew something was going on, even arrested at least one of those involved. There's copious evidence of that.

This does not affect either who actually hijacked and crashed the airliners, nor does it make those who did any less guilty of 3,000 (or however many the exact number was) murders. However inept, incompetent, or just complacant the security services were doesn't diminish that.

The other conspiracy that does the rounds is that the Americans actually carried out the attacks themselves. Now that is the sort of crap that the most hardline of conspiracy theorists want to spout, and is the sort of things that makes me angry and makes me want to give them a smack upside their head.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

The other conspiracy that does the rounds is that the Americans actually carried out the attacks themselves. Now that is the sort of crap that the most hardline of conspiracy theorists want to spout, and is the sort of things that makes me angry and makes me want to give them a smack upside their head.

Can't help but agree with that one.

 

[36:)]

yes, in august 2001 i think but nothing implying plane hijacking and the WTC being a target

As Dr Condoleeza Rice said
"I believe the title was 'Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside the United States.'"

But German intelligence did suggest that they would be hijacking aircraft and using them as weapons against commercial targets.

Personally it happened how it happened, I don't think any Government could have, before 9/11, envisaged such a large scale attack in "peace time", and I really don't think the Government orcashtrated it, for the simple reason most of the people who are saying they did are still alive. If the Government were willing to kill 3,000, then what's 3,001?

 

[rayb74]

the place they attacked due to 9/11 was afghanistan AFAIK that place has no oil so i don't see why you are making this arguement

Read my post carefully Posty. I stated a presence in the middle east.

 

[KaHn]

Really don't see the need. The US government were clearly to blame either way - either they colluded in it's inception, chose not to stop it (which I consider to be the same as the first option), or were too inept to stop it.

I voted inept. Their track record over recent years hasn't been particularly flattering (and neither has ours). Also, my view on conspiracy theorists should be well known by now - it's one of my few keyboard warrior tendencies (smacking them upside their heads - preferably using means pinched without credit from the game Dead Rising).

How can you say the American goverment is inept, what would have happened if they shot down those hijacked aircraft? Nothing in this world prepared anyone for the events of 9/11 and the actions suggested by hindsight would have caused international contrivoursy(sp), all hijackings in the past have been about personal agendas, money or power. None of which were included in 9/11.

I believe the US goverment did everything which was required of them before 9/11 and it went wrong on a horrible level.

But then hindsight is a wonderful thing and those actions which should have been taken, were taken in london when an innocent man was shot and I for one, although others will tell me I am wrong, say the police were justified in those actions given the circumstances which led to them, but I would not or could not justify such actions if 9/11 had not occured.

KaHn

 

[squiffy]

I don't believe at all there wasen't procederes in place to deal with a possible suicide airplane strike. Unless these agencies just play Duke Nukem 3D all day. Surely CIA and other security agencies knew of this?

I would believe most people would accept that shooting down hijacked civilians planes by suicide pilots would be preferable to allow them to strike buildings.

 

[sja360]

The US Government caught napping.

i guess its possible its a conspiracy theory for the US to then start raging war, but it seems rather stupid of them to sacrifice there own people to start a war and for what? the oil?

 

[cheets64]

I feel sorry for you.

By the way, the 7/7 London bombings were carried out by teenage mutant ninja turtles. This has been confirmed by scientific analysis and extensive research. I'm in the processing of piecing together some damning videos on the matter and I'm setting up an organisation to campaign for the government to tell us the truth. Anyone who doesn't agree with me is blind, ignorant or a sheep.

The 7/7 attack never led to a mass war against 2 countires killing 65,000+

There are just too many question for the US about 9/11 why did this not happen, why did this go wrong, what happened here, where was you when this happened, you knew about attacks etc.

THe biggest superpower on earth with a massive encocmy just let down 3000+ people and then decicded to go to war with a country that is still fighting with British soldiers, nothing has been acomplished.

 

[squiffy]

i guess its possible its a conspiracy theory for the US to then start raging war, but it seems rather stupid of them to sacrifice there own people to start a war and for what? the oil?

If I were heartless, and if I didn't less 3,000 people died....if I could make billions out of it, and assert my power onto other countries and help acquientances. If all I had to do is put my feet up and just let it happen.

What's 3000 people compared to the gain of the inaction?