Poll: 9/11. A Poll.

[Jaap74]

I like a good conspiracy theory but I think to suggest that the US government did it..... well, lay off the crack pipe I say !!

 

[Nicola]

Well one reason is the video evidence Al Q have themselves provided. Like the most recent tape where UBL meets a couple of the hijackers.

As to why AL Q deny then claim responsibility, deception one of the lessons the quran teaches is to deceive the enemy.

thats not evidence, thats a setup to fool people, were you there personaly when it was filmed? how do u no it wasnt staged to fool the masses.it could be real but i very much doubt it

 

[gurusan]

Yeah! And the holocaust was a huge conspiracy as well! Were YOU personally there?

How can you know! How can anybody know! The government! AHHH after us!!

 

[Sleepy]

thats not evidence, thats a setup to fool people, were you there personaly when it was filmed? how do u no it wasnt staged to fool the masses.it could be real but i very much doubt it

Actually it is evidence, well at least in the real world I inhabit where facts are facts until proven otherwise by other more compelling evidence. However I do realise that you don't use that logic in your world view where absence, supposition and accusation provide the structure upon which you create your worldview.

 

[Nicola]

Yeah! And the holocaust was a huge conspiracy as well! Were YOU personally there?

How can you know! How can anybody know! The government! AHHH after us!!

notice the ppl that belive the goverment version always come out with stupid remarks , the point i was trying to make is that its possible the vids are staged, we only have the goverment controled media's word that they are real

 

[Nicola]

Actually it is evidence, well at least in the real world

you my friend dont live in the real world,you live in the world of media lies

 

[gurusan]

notice the ppl that belive the goverment version always come out with stupid remarks , the point i was trying to make is that its possible the vids are staged, we only have the goverment controled media's word that they are real

Who says I'm a person that "belive the goverment"? I believe in common sense and my ability to make a conclusion from the evidence I can find.

Whereas you just seem to deny the truth of everything without backing anything up.

Also, if you want people to take you seriously you should learn how to type a properly spelled sentence.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

notice the ppl that belive the goverment version always come out with stupid remarks

Pot, kettle, black.
I can honestly say that I've read nearly all your posts since you joined and you are the most uninformed person on these forums and take anything in.
Even the TFH's on here have to raise an eyebrow to some of the stuff you come out with.

In fact, some of your posts are so stupid that I can only think you're trolling.

 

[Nicola]

Who says I'm a person that "belive the goverment"? I believe in common sense and my ability to make a conclusion from the evidence I can find.

Whereas you just seem to deny the truth of everything without backing anything up.

Also, if you want people to take you seriously you should learn how to type a properly spelled sentence.

tbh i dont care what ppl think about me and my spelling so talk to some one that does

 

[Al Vallario]

Strange isn't it - unlike most terrorist attacks claimed by more than one group, we only hear about Al Qaeda when 9/11 is discussed - even though Bin Laden categorically insisted they weren't behind it until something changed his mind about 4 years later... wonder what that could have been

Funny how no-one believes him when he says 'we didn't do it' but when he changes his mind a few years later he's obviously telling the truth.

He also insisted that Bush had misled the American people in the three years since the 19 hijackers accomplished their mission.

What's all this "4 years" nonesense?

"we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all...due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for...We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our work that day and had the radio on...Muhammad (Atta) from the Egyptian family (meaning the Al Qaida Egyptian group), was in charge of the group...The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes." - Osama bin Laden, 13th December 2001

Full transcript of video

Note: Truth be told, there have been some doubts about the accuracy of the translation provided by the US government, but from what I can tell these are negligible and the overall message is still clear

 

[kitten_caboodle]

October 2001

I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html

dated September 2004 (ok so it's 3 years - my bad!)

WASHINGTON — Usama bin Laden (search ) made his first televised appearance in more than a year Friday in which he admitted for the first time ordering the Sept. 11 attacks and accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people.
....
Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.

I think the video tape you are referring to is this one that was found just after Bin Laden categorically denied taking part in the attacks.

The videotape was supposedly physically located.
The size of a standard VHS videotape is 7.5 inches wide by 4.2 inches deep by 1 inch high - if you look in a video cabinet you'll see they're not very big. The satellite photograph on the right shows Jalalabad - it is very big and it contains a lot of buildings (not all single storey).

Don't you find it somewhat fortuitous that a very small video tape of Osama confessing to the 9/11 attacks was found in this very big city? Were squads of video watchers sent in to view every tape found just in case one showed Osama confessing?

If you can't see the difference between the guy on the video and the other photos of OBL than you need to visit specsavers!

guess which one is on the video!!

 

[Von Smallhausen]

guess which one is on the video!!

I take it Mr Bin Laden is aware he is wearing US issue DPM there ?

 

[dirtydog]

I take it Mr Bin Laden is aware he is wearing US issue DPM there ?

Well he did used to work for the CIA so he probably still has some

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

If you can't see the difference between the guy on the video and the other photos of OBL than you need to visit specsavers!

I would say that the man in E is the same as the man in D but a bit older.

 

[kitten_caboodle]

I would say that the man in E is the same as the man in D but a bit older.

I think that's precisely what you're meant to say. Although imo he has a different nose and bone structure....especially around the eyebrows. Still it's video/photographic evidence and we all know how different people can look in those.

still, it's amazing how chubby you can get living in a cave!

 

[PaulStat]

I'm really surprised it's not 95% + in favour of them being caught napping

 

[Al Vallario]

October 2001

I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam.

There are plenty of reasons why he would have denied any involvement at first. He may have said so in order to give him more time to get on the road, for example.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html

dated September 2004 (ok so it's 3 years - my bad!)

WASHINGTON — Usama bin Laden (search ) made his first televised appearance in more than a year Friday in which he admitted for the first time ordering the Sept. 11 attacks and accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people.
....
Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.

So because some FOX News reporter made a mistake, bin Laden denied all knowledge of involvement in the 9/11 attacks for three years. Contradiction ahead...

I think the video tape you are referring to is this one that was found just after Bin Laden categorically denied taking part in the attacks.

The videotape was supposedly physically located. The size of a standard VHS videotape is 7.5 inches wide by 4.2 inches deep by 1 inch high - if you look in a video cabinet you'll see they're not very big. The satellite photograph on the right shows Jalalabad - it is very big and it contains a lot of buildings (not all single storey).

Don't you find it somewhat fortuitous that a very small video tape of Osama confessing to the 9/11 attacks was found in this very big city? Were squads of video watchers sent in to view every tape found just in case one showed Osama confessing?

As far as I'm aware the video was discovered during a routine raid on a house in Jalalabad. Nobody said anything about intelligence services finding the video by satellite. Nobody said anything about the video in question being one of many in the house, either. Chances are the video was amongst some other suspicious material, and I don't find it at all suspicious that the intelligence services wanted to find out what was on the video.

If you can't see the difference between the guy on the video and the other photos of OBL than you need to visit specsavers!

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c369/wilko1974/binladen8.jpg

guess which one is on the video!!

I guess I'll be calling specsavers, then.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

I think that's precisely what you're meant to say.

No, thats what I see.
Granted he looks a bit different but about four years have passed.
Look at me four years ago and you might have to look at me twice.

Do you really think that when this video was found that a room full of people didn't say that he looks a bit different? That video would have been shown to 1000's of people before it made it to reporters and before releasing it they would have been 100% positive it was him.

And yes, you can get chubby living in a cave. No exercise and plenty of the best halal meat and wine.

 

[kitten_caboodle]

So because some FOX News reporter made a mistake, bin Laden denied all knowledge of involvement in the 9/11 attacks for three years. Contradiction ahead....

i don't really get what you're on about here - who made a mistake? Where's the evidence of that - BL never made that admission except on that video - so why is it a mistake? Where's the contradiction?

And yes, you can get chubby living in a cave. No exercise and plenty of the best halal meat and wine.

Are muslims allowed to drink wine?

it doesn't really matter. You believe what you believe and I believe what I do.

Sadly, people don't seem to accept that there are differences in opinion and that others are entitled to them - and it doesn't make me stupid that I believe what I do and it doesn't make you stupid that you think differently. Sadly it seems that some people are just determined to keep going round in circles arguing with anyone that doesn't agree with them - and about things that neither can prove one way or the other.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

Sadly, people don't seem to accept that there are differences in opinion and that others are entitled to them - and it doesn't make me stupid that I believe what I do and it doesn't make you stupid that you think differently. Sadly it seems that some people are just determined to keep going round in circles arguing with anyone that doesn't agree with them - and about things that neither can prove one way or the other.

And its so ironic that you can't see that its you doing it.