9/11 - Controlled demolition?

[growse]

No I don't but I watched video of it being heated to that temperature by a physicist and it wasn't yellow.

Say I believe you and the thermite reaction was somehow naturally occurring, that still does not excuse the fact that the building would not have collapsed straight to the ground when structure below the affected floors was still intact.

1) You watched a video of what? Pure aluminium? My point was that it wasn't pure aluminium.

1.5) If something's yellow hot, that means it's yellow. Aluminium, like most metals, behaves like a black body when you heat it up. Therefore, it goes through the usual spectrum of colours when it gets hot. The heat produced from a thermite reaction would be enough to raise the temperature of the molten alloy to make it yellow-hot.

2) You know nothing about the structural integrety of the lower floors. I don't. No one does.

3) If you take a building, which is tall, and suddenly remove the supports that are holding up floor number 70, everything above that floor will crash downwards putting a huge amount of stress on whatever's holding up floor 69. The supports holding that up will most likely fail under the stress, and the whole thing will now crash downwards onto floor 68. Rinse, repeat.

 

[neocon]

The living victims/family know what happened - its the tin foil hatters that won't listen to the truth.

Regarding the passport being found in the remnants.
Earlier this year my cousin switched on a light in his villa and the LPG gas leak blew the villa apart leaving nothing standing, him with 66% burns and 4 tons of rubble on top of him. His guitar was found in its case 100 yards away on somebody's drive.
All his documents were intact.

Ellen Mariani is the widow of Neil Mariani who was killed in the plane that crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. She is grief stricken and angry-- very upset at the way she was treated after learning of the death of her soulmate for life, disgusted by the offer of "hush money" to not investigate further or speak up, and determined to find out what REALLY happened on that terrible day. To that end she has sued Bush and officials including but not limited to Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Feinberg that they 1) had knowledge/warnings of 9/11 and failed to warn or take steps to prevent; 2) have been covering up the truth of 9/11 and 3) have therefore violated the laws of the US; and 4) are being sued under Civil RICO Act.
http://www.suesupriano.com/article.php?&id=53

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Ellen Mariani is the widow of Neil Mariani who was killed in the plane that crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. She is grief stricken and angry-- very upset at the way she was treated after learning of the death of her soulmate for life, disgusted by the offer of "hush money" to not investigate further or speak up, and determined to find out what REALLY happened on that terrible day. To that end she has sued Bush and officials including but not limited to Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Feinberg that they 1) had knowledge/warnings of 9/11 and failed to warn or take steps to prevent; 2) have been covering up the truth of 9/11 and 3) have therefore violated the laws of the US; and 4) are being sued under Civil RICO Act.
http://www.suesupriano.com/article.php?&id=53

One upset woman out of how many thousand?

 

[neocon]

Listen to her audio interview. I think she sounds sane.

 

[Sleepy]

stuff

Why'd you use yellow text?

 

[neocon]

Eye catching

 

[Jongo]

couldnt the explosions that are seen just be parts of the building that are forced out of the side when the building collapese

 

[Al Vallario]

couldnt the explosions that are seen just be parts of the building that are forced out of the side when the building collapese

Explosions that are seen? There were no visible explosions during the collapse of the buildings.

There were, however, visible ejections of gases and dust. Some conspiracy theorists claim this suggests the use of explosives as part of a controlled demolition — often citing all manner of dodgy scientific evidence looking at the colour or direction of these ejections — but this is explained by the "pancake theory" in which the force of the floors collapsing expels dust at high speed. That explanation sounds every so slightly more plausible than undercover government operatives breaking into offices, planting packs of thermite and wiring the buildings for a controlled demolition to coincide with Islamic terrorists crashing hijacked planes into the towers.

 

[Stiff_Cookie]

Someone has already asked this but I dont think there were any serious replies.

How do the conspiracy theorists feel about the video that was released not too long ago showing some of the hyjackers meeting with UBL?

 

[Radiation]

Explosions that are seen? There were no visible explosions during the collapse of the buildings.

There were, however, visible ejections of gases and dust. Some conspiracy theorists claim this suggests the use of explosives as part of a controlled demolition — often citing all manner of dodgy scientific evidence looking at the colour or direction of these ejections — but this is explained by the "pancake theory" in which the force of the floors collapsing expels dust at high speed. That explanation sounds every so slightly more plausible than undercover government operatives breaking into offices, planting packs of thermite and wiring the buildings for a controlled demolition to coincide with Islamic terrorists crashing hijacked planes into the towers.

Watch that bit again (here starting at 10:20) and you can clearly see them happening many floors down and some many many floors down, pancaking can't explain that?

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Listen to her audio interview. I think she sounds sane.

Of course she's sane however she is upset and upset/greiving people don't think straight.

All the tin foil hatters have yet to reply to what they think of the recent Al Q video where they admit to it.

 

[neocon]

Bin Laden is CIA.

Watch BBC documentary if you don't believe me.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+power+of+nightmares&hl=en

Video was released to remind americans why their sons are dying in iraq. But the video does not prove those men flew a plane into the twin towers.

 

[Radiation]

Bin Laden is CIA.

Watch BBC documentary if you don't believe me.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+power+of+nightmares&hl=en

Video was released to remind americans why their sons are dying in iraq. But the video does not prove those men flew a plane into the twin towers.

Those are a good set of documentaries that explain a lot in a very intelligent and sensible way, part 3 gets straight to the real problem we see today.

 

[Al Vallario]

Watch that bit again (here starting at 10:20) and you can clearly see them happening many floors down and some many many floors down, pancaking can't explain that?

The ones at the beginning are most probably the result of fires around the building. Bare in mind only certain windows were broken; hence why the dust was only coming out of one window at a time. You'd think that if there were explosions capable of destroying steel supports, they might take more than one window at a time with them (especially considering the narrow windows). The second set of them do nothing but support the pancaking theory; the outer structure remained standing periodically (before caving in) whilst 5-10 floors below pancaking was taking place.

The following tape is taken out of context and means nothing.

 

[MiGSY]

All the tin foil hatters have yet to reply to what they think of the recent Al Q video where they admit to it.

Would you kindly STOP using that term in such a context please, it's quite childish and pathetic. People are trying to have a serious debate here, there's no need for petty insults.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

There are opinions, there is conjecture and it all makes for an interesting debate but I believe that the United States Government was caught napping and planes crashed into the towers as a result.

I have seen nothing to convince me otherwise.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Would you kindly STOP using that term in such a context please, it's quite childish and pathetic. People are trying to have a serious debate here, there's no need for petty insults.

How can we have a serious debate when Al Q admit to it but people still won't listen to them and would be prefer tin foil hat conspiracies?
No matter how much Loose Change and other biased documentaries have been debunked time and time again the tin foil hatters will keep on.
And you call me childish and pathetic.

 

[Al Vallario]

How can we have a serious debate when Al Q admit to it but people still won't listen to them and would be prefer tin foil hat conspiracies?
No matter how much Loose Change and other biased documentaries have been debunked time and time again the tin foil hatters will keep on.
And you call me childish and pathetic.

Exactly.

"we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for....We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our work that day and had the radio on...Muhammad (Atta) from the Egyptian family (meaning the Al Qaida Egyptian group), was in charge of the group...The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes." - Osama bin Laden, 13th December 2001

 

[Radiation]

The ones at the beginning are most probably the result of fires around the building. Bare in mind only certain windows were broken; hence why the dust was only coming out of one window at a time. You'd think that if there were explosions capable of destroying steel supports, they might take more than one window at a time with them (especially considering the narrow windows). The second set of them do nothing but support the pancaking theory; the outer structure remained standing periodically (before caving in) whilst 5-10 floors below pancaking was taking place.

The following tape is taken out of context and means nothing.

Don't forget the scale we're seeing this at, those ones happening many floors down are unlikely to be the result of possible pancacking because it would have to be happening faster than freefall would allow, pancacking theory often forgets the fact theres a strong central structure holding all those floors up, i imagine many of the explosives would have been planted in places so it wasn't visible but like many things it doesn't go quite to plan, a first set must have been weakening the overall structure before the main set of blasts goes off at freefall speeds.

Just wondering but do you seriously not find anything suspicious about 9/11?

 

[Al Vallario]

Just wondering but do you seriously not find anything suspicious about 9/11?

I find certain things suspicious, such as the failure of the US government to identify the threat. Nothing based on mis-information you would find on conspiracy theorist websites or videos, though.

I do, however, believe that the government had nothing to do with the actual collapse of the World Trade Center, or damage to the Pentagon.