9/11 - Controlled demolition?

[neocon]

I'd just like to add that:

What Americans do to each other is completely nuts!

"The FBI estimates that 67 per cent of the 16,204 murders in 2002 were committed with firearms."
(http://www.uktv.co.uk/index.cfm?uktv=standardItem.Index&aID=528010)

 

[Inquisitor]

I'd just like to add that:

What Americans do to each other is completely nuts!

"The FBI estimates that 67 per cent of the 16,204 murders in 2002 were committed with firearms."
(http://www.uktv.co.uk/index.cfm?uktv=standardItem.Index&aID=528010)

Where's the relevance?

 

[Glaucus]

theres also some debate about the remains that were left of the plane hitting the pentagon, the gov claim that the reason why there was near to nothing left of the plane was that a combination of the impact speed and the fuel disintegrated nearly all the plane.

There was a lot of debris left very mangles, but some pieces can be seen clearley.

Now based on what they said about the disintegration of the plane how was it possible for them to identify all bar about 5-10 of the 190 odd passengers on it? baring in mind the passengers were identified via examining body's not the plane manifest.

dental records and stuff. The main impact is though the planes structure, not the people inside. Remember this isn't a solid object lots of diffrent parts make for a complicated pattern of event when crushed.

Also the debri that was photographed and released to the media has been analysed by Boeing experts who claim that the part identified was not part of any of there planes currently in production.

the reason is several engines can be fitted to the plain depending on type and airliner. The photo of the engine wreckage is consistent with what that airliner was using.

in the past with exactly the same make of plane that hit the pentagon three has been accidents involving point blank impact at full speeds into mountains yet still parts such as the engines largely remained. Yet on the pentagon hit these were among the debri that supposedly disintegrated.

Nope as above there was loads of debris, including engine parts.

Another thing is the approach of the so called plane which on inspection appeared to have hit several street lights and other objects yet in the past when planes of similar weight and size has impacted such object it caused a spinning motion or at least ripped the wings off the plane, yet non of these appears to have happened.

Refrences?
A plane waying that much, traveling that fast is going to simply chop a metal post(lamp post) in half. Which happened. You can not tell what damage the generator did to the plane as it was very close to the final crash.

On a different note regarding the mobile phone calls from passengers, there were a number of calls made from passengers to families shortly after the hijackings. Now I'm no expert but from the little info I read it's only recently been announced this year that Rayanair are installing new technology that allows internet and mobile phone communication via planes now if this was already available back in 2000 why is this been touted as ground breaking technology just this year ? Chances are this is just me not understanding the tech and that mobile phone calls are possible from high altitude planes.

They used on plane phones which have been around for ages..

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Where's the relevance?

Its obvious.
If Americans can do that then they can easily fly their own planes into the Twin Towers while shooting rockets at them from under the wings and planting basement bombs at the same time. They can also fly a drone/missile/plane into the Pentagon and make a complete fantasy plane up called Flight 93 and make all the passengers up etc etc etc.
AND THEN come over here on 7/7 and make poor Muslims put bombs on their backs etc etc.

 

[growse]

Conspiracy Theorists - A true social phenomenon

Conspiracy theorists usually feel a need to differentiate themselves from the mainstream by holding opinions that contradicts "official" explanations, mostly because they think it's fashionable to be seen to be "not a sheep". Also could be taking a gamble on the prospect that when the "truth" is finally revealed, they can look smarter compared to the masses.

Commonly seen to be endlessly watching or making "documentaries" and absorbing, sheep-like, every detail that could possibly provide an explanation as to why the "official" explanation is wrong. Most arguments hinge either around flawed science, or the reasoning that because something isn't fully explained to their satisfaction, everything else is lies.

Sadly, it's never going to stop being "fashionable" for these people to feel like their on the inside of a big secret. The shallowness of conspiracy theorists is demonstrated as they question everything simply in order to gain preceived status within their audience as someone who "thinks differently", "is his(her) own person", "doesn't take crap from governments". They believe such qualities allows them to get laid sooner, and with more people.

Unfortunately, in most cases, the glaring lack of logic and reason only makes them appear to be closed-minded geeks trying to cling onto some sort of individualism to make themselves seem important. It's sad, but it's true.

 

[Inquisitor]

Its obvious.
If Americans can do that then they can easily fly their own planes into the Twin Towers while shooting rockets at them from under the wings and planting basement bombs at the same time. They can also fly a drone/missile/plane into the Pentagon and make a complete fantasy plane up called Flight 93 and make all the passengers up etc etc etc.
AND THEN come over here on 7/7 and make poor Muslims put bombs on their backs etc etc.

Ah, I get it now

 

[neocon]

I'm just pointing out that you can't reason with people who have that much blood lust.

 

[Inquisitor]

Conspiracy Theorists - A true social phenomenon

Conspiracy theorists usually feel a need to differentiate themselves from the mainstream by holding opinions that contradicts "official" explanations, mostly because they think it's fashionable to be seen to be "not a sheep". Also could be taking a gamble on the prospect that when the "truth" is finally revealed, they can look smarter compared to the masses.

Commonly seen to be endlessly watching or making "documentaries" and absorbing, sheep-like, every detail that could possibly provide an explanation as to why the "official" explanation is wrong. Most arguments hinge either around flawed science, or the reasoning that because something isn't fully explained to their satisfaction, everything else is lies.

Sadly, it's never going to stop being "fashionable" for these people to feel like their on the inside of a big secret. The shallowness of conspiracy theorists is demonstrated as they question everything simply in order to gain preceived status within their audience as someone who "thinks differently", "is his(her) own person", "doesn't take crap from governments". They believe such qualities allows them to get laid sooner, and with more people.

Unfortunately, in most cases, the glaring lack of logic and reason only makes them appear to be closed-minded geeks trying to cling onto some sort of individualism to make themselves seem important. It's sad, but it's true.

Best post of the thread

 

[Inquisitor]

I'm just pointing out that you can't reason with people who have that much blood lust.

Are you suggesting that every single American is a gun murderer?

 

[Sleepy]

Conspiracy Theorists - A true social phenomenon

<snip>

You forgot to include a piccie of a typical woo woo

 

[SexyGreyFox]

They used on plane phones which have been around for ages..

People have been using normal mobile phones on planes for years and I admit I even did it myself before 9/11 (why do you think they banned the use of mobiles way before that?). If you're in sight of a receiver/transmitter etc you will make that call. Flight 93 was flying over America so it must have been in range nearly all its flight.

 

[Sleepy]

I'm just pointing out that you can't reason with people who have that much blood lust.

And reasoning with you is so effective?

 

[The_Dark_Side]

People have been using normal mobile phones on planes for years and I admit I even did it myself before 9/11 (why do you think they banned the use of mobiles way before that?). If you're in sight of a receiver/transmitter etc you will make that call. Flight 93 was flying over America so it must have been in range nearly all its flight.

exactly, how can it be so difficult to comprehend that the signal from a mobile phone mast not only covers a few km across the ground in all directions, it also extends the same distance straight up.

 

[neocon]

In the last five years since 911, think how many people were murdered in the US? ~50,000

They're obsessed by foreign terrorists, while that crap is happening in their own yard.

 

[neocon]

Fair game.

I guess we need people like you to fight our wars for us.

 

[Inquisitor]

In the last five years since 911, think how many people were murdered in the US? ~50,000

They're obsessed by foreign terrorists, while that crap is happening in their own yard.

OMG you're right, let's declare war on criminals instead.

 

[Glaucus]

In the last five years since 911, think how many people were murdered in the US? ~50,000

They're obsessed by foreign terrorists, while that crap is happening in their own yard.

We're the same!
but, murder doesn't instill fear or damage the economy. Terrorist bombings do. If you had large scale terrorist attacks think what it would do to the economy and your life. We get murders in England and 7/7 still messed us up just like 9/11 in America.

 

[Glaucus]

exactly, how can it be so difficult to comprehend that the signal from a mobile phone mast not only covers a few km across the ground in all directions, it also extends the same distance straight up.

It's not, but it easier convincing people there wrong with things they already know about, that's why I said on-board telephones. It proves beyond doubt, they could make phone calls with no argument about the possibilities.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

It's not, but it easier convincing people there wrong with things they already know about, that's why I said on-board telephones. It proves beyond doubt, they could make phone calls with no argument about the possibilities.

wasting your time mate.
some people will just NEVER accept that nothing suspicious happened in any of these conspiracy scenarios.

 

[Inquisitor]

It's not, but it easier convincing people there wrong with things they already know about, that's why I said on-board telephones. It proves beyond doubt, they could make phone calls with no argument about the possibilities.

They'll just ignore it if they can't argue with it though.