9/11

[lemonkettaz]

We are obviously more "used" to this I guess, with getting bombed by the germans and obviously the countless IRA attacks.

Before september 11th 2001 when did they get attacked on their homeland.. Pearl Harbour?

So I guess for the typical american they would have been freaking out

 

[Efour]

i was in oxford visiting a mate. just finished watching neighbours on tv, and it was interupted by the news a light aircraft had crashed into the world trade centre.

I was on a coach going back to London when they collapsed was kinda "jesus.......christ" but i dont recall thinking ww3 was about to kick off.

RIP to all the people especially the emergency services people.
Not goign to "god bless america" cos BS thinking liek that is half the problem with the modern world.

 

[KNiVES]

We are obviously more "used" to this I guess, with getting bombed by the germans and obviously the countless IRA attacks.

Before september 11th 2001 when did they get attacked on their homeland.. Pearl Harbour?

So I guess for the typical american they would have been freaking out

In the case of both Britain and the US, the chickens were simply coming home to roost. What astounds me is that both countries never even stopped to think for just a moment why there are people out there angry enough to launch attacks like that. Lesson still not learnt to this day.

 

[lemonkettaz]

What are the problems that made people that angry? When did it all start to turn sour? Will it ever change.. doubt it

I remember reading through some website that had loads of information on events leading up to the attacks, seemed to be quite a few warning signs that something big would happen.

 

[Curio]

In the case of both Britain and the US, the chickens were simply coming home to roost. What astounds me is that both countries never even stopped to think for just a moment why there are people out there angry enough to launch attacks like that. Lesson still not learnt to this day.

I agree, although it's not like the US and Britain are the source of all evil in the world. The planet is run by corrupt and stupid people in every country.

 

[Castiel]

What are the problems that made people that angry? When did it all start to turn sour? Will it ever change.. doubt it

I remember reading through some website that had loads of information on events leading up to the attacks, seemed to be quite a few warning signs that something big would happen.

Least of all being a direct address by the Leader of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan to the EU Parliament in Brussels that al-Qaeda was planning such an attack just months before, and he was then subsequently killed by an al-Qaeda suicide bomber financed by the Taliban just two days before the 9/11 bombing. His name was Ahmad Shah Massoud.

 

[Yas786]

Least of all being a direct address by the Leader of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan to the EU Parliament in Brussels that al-Qaeda was planning such an attack just months before, and he was then subsequently killed by an al-Qaeda suicide bomber financed by the Taliban just two days before the 9/11 bombing. His name was Ahmad Shah Massoud.

Castiel what do you make of Bush's reaction when he was told that the Twin Towers were attacked??...far be it for me to believe in conspiracy theories but i somewhat think his reaction was one of not disbelief but rather...ok its happened now what am i supposed to do?? ie like a deer caught in the headlights.

It also leads me to believe that if the West/America was warned months before the attacks..why wasnt anything done about it??.

 

[RDM]

Castiel what do you make of Bush's reaction when he was told that the Twin Towers were attacked??...far be it for me to believe in conspiracy theories but i somewhat think his reaction was one of not disbelief but rather...ok its happened now what am i supposed to do?? ie like a deer caught in the headlights.

I would say it was more shock than anything. A relatively new and inexperienced president having to deal with his first real issue and not having any real idea what to do about it. You also have to remember that with hindsight it looks a bit odd but at the time no one really knew what was going on. I was in the US at the time and until the second plane hit the general view was that the first plane crash was an accident.

It also leads me to believe that if the West/America was warned months before the attacks..why wasnt anything done about it??.

No real specific details of what form the attack would take?

??...far be it for me to believe in conspiracy theories

I thought you did believe it was an inside job? Or was that another poster?

 

[Yas786]

I would say it was more shock than anything. A relatively new and inexperienced president having to deal with his first real issue and not having any real idea what to do about it. You also have to remember that with hindsight it looks a bit odd but at the time no one really knew what was going on. I was in the US at the time and until the second plane hit the general view was that the first plane crash was an accident.



No real specific details of what form the attack would take?



I thought you did believe it was an inside job? Or was that another poster?

Nope wasnt me although sometimes with all the stuff out there regarding the 9/11 attacks and listening to other peoples opinions...its hard to ignore but for me until i see hard evidence ie infallible evidence then ill keep believing that it wasnt an inside job. But i do know there are a few posters in here who do actually believe that it was an inside job ie America attacked itself in order to justify its invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan etc.

Indeed i suppose they had no real details on what sort of attack would happen but it would have maybe been a bit more helpful if the security level within the country had increased but on the flipside you end up scaring your people as they would probably be wondering ok why has everything become a bit more tighter with security.

As for Bush's reaction i suppose you do have a point, i guess we have to give him the benefit of the doubt for his reaction...i wonder how Clinton or the previous Presidents would have reacted...in fact include Obama in there as well.

 

[Castiel]

Castiel what do you make of Bush's reaction when he was told that the Twin Towers were attacked??...far be it for me to believe in conspiracy theories but i somewhat think his reaction was one of not disbelief but rather...ok its happened now what am i supposed to do?? ie like a deer caught in the headlights.

It also leads me to believe that if the West/America was warned months before the attacks..why wasnt anything done about it??.

Like RDM said previous, I do not think that the Bush Administration knew exactly what was going to happen, neither do I think they were complicit in it either. I do however have a sneaking suspicion that they knew something was going to happen and Bush's reaction was something akin to , "what already? Crap we are not prepared!"

Again as for the warning, it wasn't specific enough to combat effectively, hence my previous answer above, the warning from Massoud was that al Qaeda was receiving financial and logistical support from elements in the Pakistani Government and that they now had the means to attack the US in a greater capacity and scale than the 1998 attacks in Africa.

Why were they not prepared, why was nothing done? Well we do not know what was being done in response to the warning, I doubt he was ignored but the warning came in the spring of 2001 and his assassination was only 2 days before the attack, not much time to really do anything.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

Castiel what do you make of Bush's reaction when he was told that the Twin Towers were attacked??...far be it for me to believe in conspiracy theories but i somewhat think his reaction was one of not disbelief but rather...ok its happened now what am i supposed to do?? ie like a deer caught in the headlights.

I am Castiel.
He was 'WTF', 'what do I do', 'bugger'.
If there was a conspiracy he would have jumped up with his next scripted move.

It also leads me to believe that if the West/America was warned months before the attacks..why wasnt anything done about it??.

Were they told planes were going to be hijacked and flown into the Towers & Pentagon?
If not then it's a needle in a haystack situation.
I'll make a prediction now that something else will happen.

 

[Curio]

What are the problems that made people that angry? When did it all start to turn sour? Will it ever change.. doubt it

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Would probably be at the route of a lot of the problems...

I remember reading through some website that had loads of information on events leading up to the attacks, seemed to be quite a few warning signs that something big would happen.

Apparently the various US intelligence agencies were super-competitive and didn't share information with each other.

 

[RDM]

Nope wasnt me although sometimes with all the stuff out there regarding the 9/11 attacks and listening to other peoples opinions...its hard to ignore but for me until i see hard evidence ie infallible evidence then ill keep believing that it wasnt an inside job. But i do know there are a few posters in here who do actually believe that it was an inside job ie America attacked itself in order to justify its invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan etc.

Yes, but most of the posters that do think that are indeed bat-**** crazy and also believe in our lizard overlords....

Indeed i suppose they had no real details on what sort of attack would happen but it would have maybe been a bit more helpful if the security level within the country had increased but on the flipside you end up scaring your people as they would probably be wondering ok why has everything become a bit more tighter with security.

You look at it with post 9/11 eyes and it does look a bit odd. But prior to 9/11 we never really heard of what security level the country was at and the type of attack was unprecedented. Do all the usual things to heighten security prior to 9/11 and the guys with box cutters would still get on.

As for Bush's reaction i suppose you do have a point, i guess we have to give him the benefit of the doubt for his reaction...i wonder how Clinton or the previous Presidents would have reacted...in fact include Obama in there as well.

The reaction post the attacks would probably have been very different, but on the day? Trust me, watching the US news as it happened no one really knew what was going on and general panic was countrywide.

 

[Castiel]

Nope wasnt me although sometimes with all the stuff out there regarding the 9/11 attacks and listening to other peoples opinions...its hard to ignore but for me until i see hard evidence ie infallible evidence then ill keep believing that it wasnt an inside job. But i do know there are a few posters in here who do actually believe that it was an inside job ie America attacked itself in order to justify its invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan etc.

Indeed i suppose they had no real details on what sort of attack would happen but it would have maybe been a bit more helpful if the security level within the country had increased but on the flipside you end up scaring your people as they would probably be wondering ok why has everything become a bit more tighter with security.

As for Bush's reaction i suppose you do have a point, i guess we have to give him the benefit of the doubt for his reaction...i wonder how Clinton or the previous Presidents would have reacted...in fact include Obama in there as well.

Everyone assumes that world powers need justification for doing what they do, they really don't. They don't need to attack themselves certainly and any old reason which could have been seen as a threat could be used as justification, as we saw in Iraq.

As for what would the Clinton or Obama administrations have done, I expect that the Clinton one certainly would have done similar in Afghanistan and maybe Iraq, but the difference is that I highly doubt that someone like Donald Rumsfeld would have been allowed to ditch the rebuilding plan put forward for Iraq and thus creating the insurgent nightmare that resulted. Obama it is hard to judge, Clinton was a diplomatic genius with a good grasp of foreign politics, Obama has yet to prove himself I think, and given his domestic woes I doubt that he will be given the chance.

 

[Westyfield2]

RIP.

I was at school when this happened (year 6 IIRC) and one of the other Mum's told my Mum in the playground that something was going on and to put the TV on when we got home.
Got home and saw North Tower on fire and replays of the plane hitting it. Stayed watching and saw the second plane hit South Tower and then them both collapse.
What really hits home is that I've both been up the twin towers and I've been to Ground Zero.

RIP to all those that died in the attacks and God Bless America.

 

[Curio]

Yes, but most of the posters that do think that are indeed bat-**** crazy and also believe in our lizard overlords....

See, that's very unfair. I have some issues with aspects of the "official story" but that doesn't mean I believe in all that other rubbish. Hell, I'm even willing to accept that 9/11 went down exactly how we are told it did.....that's the most likely explanation. However, anybody with an inquiring mind should be free to question events without being painted as a loony. Historians are still arguing whether the Nazis burned down the Reichstag in order to further their political agenda.....

 

[Grimley]

There are 2 events that I've really felt dumbstruck/gobsmacked.

1st one = the Death of Princess Diana. Went to see the flower tributes at Buckingham Palace & Kensington Palace myself. RIP Diana.

The other is this. It looked like a Hollywood disaster film, only for real. I was like when hearing it on the radio & then watching it unravel on the telly afterwards. I spoke to a mate of my sisters about this about a year later. He lived in NY at the time & lived across the bay. He also worked in downtown NY & saw it all happen. He was just physically sick afterwards.

RIP to all who died on that day.

 

[Columbo]

See, that's very unfair. I have some issues with aspects of the "official story" but that doesn't mean I believe in all that other rubbish. Hell, I'm even willing to accept that 9/11 went down exactly how we are told it did.....that's the most likely explanation. However, anybody with an inquiring mind should be free to question events without being painted as a loony. Historians are still arguing whether the Nazis burned down the Reichstag in order to further their political agenda.....

Of course they should be free to investigate but some of the total horse crap that has been squeezed out of someone's anus and into the public domain is just idiocy at its very worst.

The one about bombs exploding milliseconds before the towers fell is the one that winds me up the most.

 

[RDM]

See, that's very unfair.

See the definition of the word "most". You may well fall in to the small proportion of people that aren't bat-**** crazy...

 

[DJMK4]

There are 2 events that I've really felt dumbstruck/gobsmacked.

1st one = the Death of Princess Diana. Went to see the flower tributes at Buckingham Palace & Kensington Palace myself. RIP Diana.

The other is this. It looked like a Hollywood disaster film, only for real. I was like when hearing it on the radio & then watching it unravel on the telly afterwards. I spoke to a mate of my sisters about this about a year later. He lived in NY at the time & lived across the bay. He also worked in downtown NY & saw it all happen. He was just physically sick afterwards.

RIP to all who died on that day.

Same

Dianas death, we went round Buckingham palance, Kensington Palace and on her funeral day we stood on the road as she was being carted off with the black horses.

9/11 - I came home from School and everyone was sat round the TV watching it unfold, I walked in and sat there, watched the second plane hit, then the collapse