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970's having performance issues using 4GB Vram - Nvidia investigating

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mattcrane said:
Glad I am not the only one.....

I would like some advice though from people that do understand the issues if thats possible :)

I have a Ref 970 on Pre-order, now would I be better off cancelling that order and putting the money towards buying a Ref 980 or should I just stick with the 970.

Gaming is 24" @1080 with G-Sync Monitor, (being delivered today) if that helps any. But I want some future proofing as well.

Sorry if its off topic but I am that confused and really would like some peace of mind over it, as I don't have a lot of money to spare so I try to make the right purchase first time if I can.
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I just cancelled mine. They arent coming in till the 30th. I'll see if there's any clearer news in a few days and then make a decision. No way I'm sticking with the pre-order though until this is a little clearer.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
And next time instead of whining at me,bother to read the thread.

This was on page 30:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=27530983#post27530983








That was all in the last five pages of the thread.
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Ok ok, it wasnt really aimed at you at such but more in general, but its a thread I'm interested in and trying to find info in a thread that exploded in a few days with digs at Nvidia and what AMD would have done etc is not helping.

Say someone wanted to buy a 970 and wanted to read this thread to find out whats going on. Ok stuffs in the last 5 pages, but they would never have gotten that far and neither did I. Anyway, thats all I'm saying on this.
 
james.miller said:
sorry cat but there is an awful lot of crap in this thread, comment after comment trashing nvidia and/or people panicking. I don't blame people for not want to read though all this rubbish.
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There are loads of GTX970 owners here - how about someone start a thread and people find an appropriate benchmark/benchmarks to test the issue.

Make a big chart. That way it should be easy to see if its something widespread or just luck of the draw?

LambChop said:
Ok ok, it wasnt really aimed at you at such but more in general, but its a thread I'm interested in and trying to find info in a thread that exploded in a few days with digs at Nvidia and what AMD would have done etc is not helping.

Say someone wanted to buy a 970 and wanted to read this thread to find out whats going on. Ok stuffs in the last 5 pages, but they would never have gotten that far and neither did I. Anyway, thats all I'm saying on this.
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I have not had my coffee yet,so sorry if I came off as being abrupt.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
There are loads of GTX970 owners here - how about someone start a thread and people find an appropriate benchmark/benchmarks to test the issue.

Make a big chart. That way it should be easy to see if its something widespread or just luck of the draw?


I have not had my coffee yet,so sorry if I came off as being abrupt.
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Were all good :)

Good idea on the thread. Kap or Greg are the men for that kind of thread ?
 
what can i do to help?

my library consists of bf4, crysis (1,2,3), stalker, bioshock (all)......not sure what, if any of those can flex whatever electronic muscles we need to, but I would happily install any of them and follow any instructions and post the results if it helps

J
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
There are loads of GTX970 owners here - how about someone start a thread and people find an appropriate benchmark/benchmarks to test the issue.
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Cat, That's exactly what we've been trying to do - find reliable benchmarks to test.


I dont know if Starting another thread is worth it. It'll either get merged with this one or get trolled to death as well - most of the top ten posters in this thread don't even own 970's, which says it all.
 
Cheers James

I am not convinced they would push people into the.... Danger Zone. if they knew it would cause that many issues. and agree AC U is s****

My bad, I really can't see the ickle text on that though.

Howeve as has been said this is a loooooong thread,, 1044 posts...

anybody up for a sensible summary? LOL
 
LambChop said:
Were all good :)

Good idea on the thread. Kap or Greg are the men for that kind of thread ?
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I think we would need to think what kind of benchmarks are required,so someone more knowledgeable needs to chime in. Possibly even have GTX980 owners chime in.

james.miller said:
Cat, That's exactly what we've been trying to do - find reliable benchmarks to test.


I dont know if Starting another thread is worth it. It'll either get merged with this one or get trolled to death as well - most of the top ten posters in this thread don't even own 970's, which says it all.
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It would be a seperate benchmark thread - and maybe a request to the mods would make sure it stayed seperate.
 
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james.miller said:
sorry cat but there is an awful lot of crap in this thread, comment after comment trashing nvidia and/or people panicking. I don't blame people for not want to read though all this rubbish.



Well, i'm on the latest drivers and you can see in the AC:U video i posted that AB reads over 4gb usage at points. This means either i was using 4gb or, if these programs really dont read the last 500mb, i was using 4.5gb and paging to the system ram. you can see from the video that the hitching was no worse than is usual for ACU so i'm reluctant to believe i was exceeding 4gb of usage.

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Have you got a different BIOS on there James? And what make of 970 is it? The game is as smooth as I get with GTX Titans and 6GB of VRAM, so I can't see anything wrong there.
 
I have read many many pages now on multiple sites and still have no idea if this is actually a real word issue or just something limited to that specific benchmark, has anyone managed to replicate this issue in a game yet?



CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The desktop cards tended to last longer(although my 8800GTS 512MB which was in a Shuttle die suddently,but I could have been unlucky as people have had 8800GT cards last for years).
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IIRC the 8800GTS 512MB was a G92 card, it's the one that got rebadged as the 9800GTX and later the GTS250.
 
Off topic and apologies but I had an 8800GTS 512MB BFG till recently and it was in use in the wifes desktop and did some gaming as well till around 6 months ago. No matter what I tried, it wouldn't die.
 
RanxZy said:
If I was you I would go with a 980. Or if you have no issues with AMD a 290X is a great card for the price.
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I have no real issues with AMD went with the 970 due to the reference style with the case my upgrade is going into I needed the heat going out the back.

And I just bought a G-Sync Monitor.....

Sencha said:
I just cancelled mine. They arent coming in till the 30th. I'll see if there's any clearer news in a few days and then make a decision. No way I'm sticking with the pre-order though until this is a little clearer.
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Any suggestions on which 980 to go for as above needs to be reference style due to the case I am going to be using, eventually it will all probably end up under water but not for a couple of years at least.

Looking at the 980's its between the Pallit, MSI or the Zotac.

The only difference I can see between them all is the Zotac has a 5year warranty while the other two are 3year.
 
james.miller said:
No, completely standard card running at 1450/2000 :)
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Certainly weird then. nVidia did say it would affect all 970 users but you can see that it is using over 4000mb in your vid and reporting it as such.

Hopefully someone else with a 970 whi is having problems can replicate your settings and show what is what. That would help.
 
From what they have said it sounds like the 970 operates natively like a 3.5GB card with use of the 0.5GB being mapped via drivers, there's a bit of a overreaction I suppose because this is something that we just haven't seen before.
 
If someone had asked me prior to this thread what GFX card to get I would have recommended either an Nvidia GTX 970 or an AMD 290 depending on whether you prefer NV/AMD.

After this thread I would recommend....

The exact same thing! :p
 
mmj_uk said:
From what they have said it sounds like the 970 operates natively like a 3.5GB card with use of the 0.5GB being mapped via drivers, there's a bit of a overreaction I suppose because this is something that we just haven't seen before.
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and had the cards been described as such then there would be far less, if no reaction at all. My issue is not so much how badly it affects my performance as to it’s not what I thought I was buying from the items specifications.
 
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The problem with this is that Nvidia would have already prepared themselves against any potential laws that we were miss soled a product.

Because, technically the card has 4gb of vram, divided up between a 3.5gb partition and a gimped 0.5gb partition. So they have protected themselves against any lawsuits!! :eek:
 
If the GPU has 3.5Vram and another memory pool of 500mb is it still Vram or is it using normal RAM? like DDR3?
Is this why people experiencing slow downs? Like if you run out of RAM your PC will start to use the Hard-drive Page file and also slow down the system..
 
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