Spacky said:Nice one.
Question versus statement...
Spacky said:Nice one.
Balddog said:Ok im not calling you a liar mate but I do find that hard to believe..Youve never seen anyone, ever, throw a stone into the water to scare birds away?
Balddog said:what else can you do?
Balddog said:am i missing something?
How were they chavs? is every young kid a chav now?
Sounds like they were just two kids fishing...its a HUGE leap to make to assume they killed the swan on purpose...Animal cruelty? come on...
Its FAR more likely that they were trying to scare the birds away from their lines...Something I did MANY times as a kid, as did everyone else I knew who fished...Obviously hitting them wasnt the idea, just in their area to scare them off...Have you ever seen a swan, or any bird get tangled in fishing line?
If some chavs were just out to kill some swans, they sure as hell would settle down with their tackle all set up and underneath fishing umbrellas...Theyd just be standing their lobbing rocks..
Sounds to me like two kids accidentally killed a baby swan and then you go apepoo on them..
iCraig said:Nope, the closest I've seen is people use a maggot catapault to fling rocks ducks at the other side of the lake.
- Make hissing noises
- Wave your rod/landing net in close proximity to them
- Move away from the bank and let them get close, and then walk upto them briskly.
To name a few..
I doubt fisherman would use rocks to scare birds off, because they would know full well that they would scare the fish too. You also run the risk of hitting the bird. These kids may have done, but I doubt very much that any half intelligent angler would.
Balddog said:The point is mate...
From the other side of the lake, could they tell if the kids were trying to scare them off or doing it for fun?
This issue isnt about whether or not they killed the swan, we can assume they did...Its about why they did it.
I agree, i'm a fisherman and throwing rocks into the water seems ridiculous. You would not stand a chance of a bite within the next hour.iCraig said:I doubt fisherman would use rocks to scare birds off, because they would know full well that they would scare the fish too. You also run the risk of hitting the bird. These kids may have done, but I doubt very much that any half intelligent angler would.
the_one_deep86 said:if your asking why the kids did it, then thats a problem, no one knows why kids do what they do. they are immature and stupid to be frank
iCraig said:To name a few..
I doubt fisherman would use rocks to scare birds off, because they would know full well that they would scare the fish too. You also run the risk of hitting the bird. These kids may have done, but I doubt very much that any half intelligent angler would.
Saberu said:As much as what you said makes a lot of sense, i'd be inclined to believe that the witnesses on the other side of the lake would be levelled headed enough to decide whether the kids were aiming for the swans or just chasing them away. And if the swans were indeed close enough to the lines to be a threat then surely it isn't hard to make sure you don't hit them when chasing them off with stones?
the_one_deep86 said:if your asking why the kids did it, then thats a problem, no one knows why kids do what they do. they are immature and stupid to be frank
Balddog said:Birds do not stay in one place....Every fishing lake or river in the entire country has birds nesting on it.. They tend to swim and fly around a bit...You know, like birds do....
Balddog said:You must fish a small lake if a catapult can get maggots across it.
Spacky said:I thought you were pro stoning birds and now you defend the kids but accept what they did was wrong?
oh and fish ...you see.. fish... they swim and splashes, like urm stones make them swim away...like fish do.
I suppose its like a cat in your garden poohing on your nice lawn, do you stone it or clap your hands?
iCraig said:I said they were flinging rocks with the catapault. It's meant to be used to spray maggots across your swim. But stick a rock in the pouch and it would fling it just like a normal catapault.
Balddog said:Sorry I misread that..
but surely that backs me up? you have seen it happen....firing stones at birds is even worse than throwing....it happens...
iCraig said:It wasn't to try and scare them from their swim, is was to try and hit them. Especially how they giggled like monkeys when one of their rocks came extremely close to a little duckling.
I don't need to inform you that they were quickly removed by the baliff.
Spacky said:I thought we were talking about the ethics of it and not whether it happened?
Clearly time for me to get lunch.
mmmm nice Fish Swandwich for lunch
unforunately, what they did is a not at all significant in the eyes of the police so they wont do anything (and this is not a slate against the police force as i am very happy with the service they provide... usually) so the vigilante actions i believe where needed, its the only way they will learn.Balddog said:Immature and stupid...thats ok...but is it reason enough to smash up all their stuff?
the_one_deep86 said:unforunately, what they did is a not at all significant in the eyes of the police so they wont do anything (and this is not a slate against the police force as i am very happy with the service they provide... usually) so the vigilante actions i believe where needed, its the only way they will learn.
well a smack would hopefully help them learn but you cant get everything