So many people don't agree with with you snappin' the chav's rods and such, but those are the sort of people that will let themselves be run all over by such people their whole lives (the sort that havn't the balls to stand up to people). i would have broken their rods and pushed them in the lake so fair play to you mate. that would boil me up, it's just senseless cruelty and the scum should be punished far greater than the slap on the wrist the police would give.
A chav too far
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Right i cant see where the OP's age is in his profile......what age are you man to i work out the chav ages. 
am i missing something?
How were they chavs? is every young kid a chav now?
Sounds like they were just two kids fishing...its a HUGE leap to make to assume they killed the swan on purpose...Animal cruelty? come on...
Its FAR more likely that they were trying to scare the birds away from their lines...Something I did MANY times as a kid, as did everyone else I knew who fished...Obviously hitting them wasnt the idea, just in their area to scare them off...Have you ever seen a swan, or any bird get tangled in fishing line?
If some chavs were just out to kill some swans, they sure as hell would settle down with their tackle all set up and underneath fishing umbrellas...Theyd just be standing their lobbing rocks..
Sounds to me like two kids accidentally killed a baby swan and then you go apepoo on them..
How were they chavs? is every young kid a chav now?
Sounds like they were just two kids fishing...its a HUGE leap to make to assume they killed the swan on purpose...Animal cruelty? come on...
Its FAR more likely that they were trying to scare the birds away from their lines...Something I did MANY times as a kid, as did everyone else I knew who fished...Obviously hitting them wasnt the idea, just in their area to scare them off...Have you ever seen a swan, or any bird get tangled in fishing line?
If some chavs were just out to kill some swans, they sure as hell would settle down with their tackle all set up and underneath fishing umbrellas...Theyd just be standing their lobbing rocks..
Sounds to me like two kids accidentally killed a baby swan and then you go apepoo on them..
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I think people have to realise that the threat of the police and courts will never stop people from committing low level crime (criminal damage, mugging, etc). The probability of getting caught and receiving a suitable punishment is too small. In my opinion it has been the threat of stigma or action by an individuals own community that has kept them in check. The situation is further exasperated when you have a significant minority of people within this country who have nothing to lose.
Criminals in this country know that the probability of being challenged by a general member of the public is minimal. This is what I believe has resulted in the massive surge in criminal antisocial behaviour. The fact is, if we want to stem this rise, we have to do it ourselves and not just sit back and let the Police deal with it. The Police do not have the resources to coupe and in a democratic society do not have the powers. If you want the Police to tackle such behaviour, the required legislation and enforcement techniques to do so effectively would reduce this country to a Police state.
Vigilantism is a very dangerous thing, the way our criminal justice system is setup, you could easily find yourself in court. Or worse, lash out at the wrong person. But, if we are not capable of policing our own communities then we are condemning ourselves to a lawless society. I am fully aware of the contradiction in my last statement, as a vigilante is also criminal. But I believe we and the courts need to start distinguishing between thugs and people trying to protect their own community. Providing the action they take is proportional and within limits.
We live in a world where extremes are dangerous and often result in us going full circle. Communism and Fascism are polls apart but equally dangerous and result in the same abuse of the people. The criminal justice system is the same. A nation that relies on the police 100% or vigilantism for everything will result in the same outcome. Complete and utter lawlessness! As always it is about finding a balance between the two.
With regard to the OP, I think your actions were correct and proportional to what the lads did. Without being there, I will have to trust your judgement that they were guilty. In an ideal world you should have called the police, who would then conduct a full investigation. If there was a case to answer the young lads would have received legal representation and then presented at court. A trial/hearing would have taken place and action THEN taken by the State. Unfortunately the last time I checked we do not live in cloud cookoo land. Anyone can see that this is a completely impractical course of action due to the severity of the crime. In my opinion the OP had a choice, walk on and do nothing or make a stand. I believe he did the right thing. If the lads were innocent, then he will have to live with that on his consciences and as always with such actions except that there may be consequences. But we should remember that there are also consequences in doing nothing........
Hope I’ve made at least some sense!
Criminals in this country know that the probability of being challenged by a general member of the public is minimal. This is what I believe has resulted in the massive surge in criminal antisocial behaviour. The fact is, if we want to stem this rise, we have to do it ourselves and not just sit back and let the Police deal with it. The Police do not have the resources to coupe and in a democratic society do not have the powers. If you want the Police to tackle such behaviour, the required legislation and enforcement techniques to do so effectively would reduce this country to a Police state.
Vigilantism is a very dangerous thing, the way our criminal justice system is setup, you could easily find yourself in court. Or worse, lash out at the wrong person. But, if we are not capable of policing our own communities then we are condemning ourselves to a lawless society. I am fully aware of the contradiction in my last statement, as a vigilante is also criminal. But I believe we and the courts need to start distinguishing between thugs and people trying to protect their own community. Providing the action they take is proportional and within limits.
We live in a world where extremes are dangerous and often result in us going full circle. Communism and Fascism are polls apart but equally dangerous and result in the same abuse of the people. The criminal justice system is the same. A nation that relies on the police 100% or vigilantism for everything will result in the same outcome. Complete and utter lawlessness! As always it is about finding a balance between the two.
With regard to the OP, I think your actions were correct and proportional to what the lads did. Without being there, I will have to trust your judgement that they were guilty. In an ideal world you should have called the police, who would then conduct a full investigation. If there was a case to answer the young lads would have received legal representation and then presented at court. A trial/hearing would have taken place and action THEN taken by the State. Unfortunately the last time I checked we do not live in cloud cookoo land. Anyone can see that this is a completely impractical course of action due to the severity of the crime. In my opinion the OP had a choice, walk on and do nothing or make a stand. I believe he did the right thing. If the lads were innocent, then he will have to live with that on his consciences and as always with such actions except that there may be consequences. But we should remember that there are also consequences in doing nothing........
Hope I’ve made at least some sense!
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Well done, 
IMO you did the right thing, a swift slap for both of them aswell should have been dished out on top
the fishing rods were probably stolen anyway.
On the other hand you could have called the police and treated the chavs to some real punishment, like a free KFC bargain bucket or perhaps a MC Donalds if they are not partial to chicken
IMO you did the right thing, a swift slap for both of them aswell should have been dished out on top
the fishing rods were probably stolen anyway.On the other hand you could have called the police and treated the chavs to some real punishment, like a free KFC bargain bucket or perhaps a MC Donalds if they are not partial to chicken
I must admit that I would have done the same EXCEPT that I would need more proof than hearsay and guesswork.
Without any proof that they had killed the cygnet, I'm sorry to say that you are in the wrong and all those saying "well done " should maybe think again.
Without any proof that they had killed the cygnet, I'm sorry to say that you are in the wrong and all those saying "well done " should maybe think again.
...A joke of course lads...I do not humour the killing of any animala user on a forum somewhere else... said:Hey guys you'll never guess what happened...
I was down at the canal with my fishing gear and my mate and some bully walked past with his dog and challenged us about a dead cygnet in the lake. We didnt know anything about it as were were hiding from the hot sun under our fishing umbrellas.
Just after we hear the local chavs across the river shouting that we had killed it by throwing stones... I mean, how would we catch fish if we threw stones?!
Two minutes later the bully comes back and snaps our rods, throws my tackle box into the canal and wrecks our fishing umbrellas. I cant believe it!
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singist said:
I see the point you making, but the OP said:
"side of the lake and we could here shouting and it was two blokes shouting at the kids from the opposite end of the lake. They told us that the two kids threw stones at the baby swan and killed it"
I interpreted this to mean there were two eye witnesses to the boys killing the cygnet. I'm a bit usure what additional proof there is ever likely to be in such a situation. It's a lake, so there will not be any CCTV and the lads are unlikely to admit it! Maybe the OP couldd post back with a bit more detail as to what the witnesses actually said.
OMG Guys!
Went fishing the other day with my mate at our favourite spot, when I was setting up I saw a dead baby swan floating down the canal
These guys were phoning the RSPCA and telling me how some kids had thrown rocks at them. We were all very angry, shouting about it etc
But then some geezer came running up shouting stuff about mustard and ovaries. He tried to break my rod over his knees, but it just bent, as rods do.
Then he tried to throw my gear into the lake, but he over balanced and fell in. I pulled him out and he ran off. :\
Went fishing the other day with my mate at our favourite spot, when I was setting up I saw a dead baby swan floating down the canal
These guys were phoning the RSPCA and telling me how some kids had thrown rocks at them. We were all very angry, shouting about it etc
But then some geezer came running up shouting stuff about mustard and ovaries. He tried to break my rod over his knees, but it just bent, as rods do.
Then he tried to throw my gear into the lake, but he over balanced and fell in. I pulled him out and he ran off. :\
I knew 100% that they killed the baby swan because when i was in vigilante mode they replied with stuff like "so what its only a bird" and thats when i started breaking there gear.
I dont feel sorry for doing what i did they did deserve it and hopefully they will think twice before doing something that affects other people.
I dont feel sorry for doing what i did they did deserve it and hopefully they will think twice before doing something that affects other people.
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In which case I support you 100%. I doubt I would have had the balls to do the same as you.
Some though will still not agree with what you did, but I wonder if their opinions would change if it was a family cat that had been killed, or the lads had put through their car window!
Some though will still not agree with what you did, but I wonder if their opinions would change if it was a family cat that had been killed, or the lads had put through their car window!
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sorry wrong forum
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Balddog said:
What a constructive comment. Why not just come out and say what you mean? Lets call the OP a liar and reduce the discussion to a "your a liar" , "no I'm not" level. Or lets assume that the OP was less clear in his original post than he should have been!
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Well it prompted a response from the OP that clarified that he didn't know 100% that they'd done it until he'd started breaking their stuff.peter_hutson said:
(Just to clarify I'm in full support of the OP, just playing devils advocate
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