A chav too far

[theleg]

Maybe in Korea you do that as thats bird flu haven...but personally I walk lakes and areas and never seen fisherman throwing stones at birds and swans and things. Maybe not fishing by birds is a solution?



Exactomundoliciously correct.

Im English and I grew up in England...I used to go fishing a lot but I havent been in years..You obviously dont see many fishermen if youve never seen it happen..It happens...and its not uncommon..

Heres a thing...birds....they move...and when youre fishing, they have this annoying habit of coming directly toward you...

 

[theleg]

True but then the people I see fish seem responsible and mature and treat the area they fish responsibly. Respecting the environment you fish preserves the environment for everyone surely?

They were kids....

Is everyone ignoring this fact?

 

[iCraig]

Are you a young kid? Sometimes they do stupid things...Like throwing rocks toward birds to scare them off...I know ive done it before..

I'm 19, but I've been fishing since I was 11. I've never seen anybody using rocks against a bird, with any other intention other to harm.

Your last 2 words are the kicker..Who knows...It certainly doesnt sound like enough proof to warrant smashing up all their stuff, which as you know, aint exactly cheap.

I never condoned what the OP did, infact my first reply to this thread was a joke that he may have smashed up an innocent lads tackle. (Sounds wrong )
He probably shouldn't of destroyed their tackle on the assumption that they had murdered the swan, but it's hard to say what any of us would have done.

They honestly dont sound like chavs to me...Ive never met a chav who is a serious fisherman....ever...and certainly never met one with enough balls to sit around after hes just done something like that...If they were chavs they would have run off laughing...

You know, chavs don't just spend all their time vandalising property and driving their Corsas. Perhaps it was their hobby to fish, and when boredom took over, so did mischief.

I was only bringing your attention to the fact that the OP did have a bit more evidence that they were behind the killing, as you was suggesting.

 

[Spacky]

Im English and I grew up in England...I used to go fishing a lot but I havent been in years..You obviously dont see many fishermen if youve never seen it happen..It happens...and its not uncommon..

Heres a thing...birds....they move...and when youre fishing, they have this annoying habit of coming directly toward you...

Nope not seen people stoning birds...must be some habit thing some people have picked up here and there.

 

[Deep]

all i can say to your original post is well done.

i can imagine the 2 blokes shouting for a reason, not just making up bs.
why the kids had fishing equipment is off though, but still they killed a baby swan and throughly deserved what they got

 

[Spacky]

Dangers to the majestic swan
Discarded nylon fishing line and other litter can kill or injure birds and other animals. So please remember to follow the Nylon and Litter Code.
Polluted water. Oil toxicosis is caused by spillage of petroleum products, and is not easy to treat. Chemical spillages can have even more horrifying consequences. Don't forget the Country Code, respect wild life, help keep all water unpolluted.

Injury by man. Behaviour such as throwing stones or firing air rifles is wilfully cruel and stupid.

Lead poisoning. With the co-operation of bodies such as the Fishing Federation, and well-organised clubs, lead poisoning is now on the decline.
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As quoted http://www.swanuk.org.uk/ first page

 

[mburn_83]

Nope not seen people stoning birds...must be some habit thing some people have picked up here and there.

The intention is not to hit them, but scare them away - just to be perfectly clear.

It depends on the conditions and where you fishing... if your on a loch its easier to move away.... on a river/canal its not so simple and its often better to scare them off.

 

[bakes0310]

my dad knows the two kids somehow and he said that there little poos before we knew that they killed the bird.

 

[mburn_83]

all i can say to your original post is well done.

i can imagine the 2 blokes shouting for a reason, not just making up bs.
why the kids had fishing equipment is off though, but still they killed a baby swan and throughly deserved what they got

How do you know they killed a baby swan?

 

[iCraig]

The intention is not to hit them, but scare them away - just to be perfectly clear.

But you would also scare off any fish in that vicinity. Which defeats the whole point of fishing there.

People who throw rocks at birds to scare them off are quite retarded IMO.

 

[Ukadder]

Right me and my dad were walking the dog on are usual route which winds up round to a canel then a lake then back to are house. Anyway we was walking along the canel and dad pointed out to me that the swan gave birth to 7 baby swans (dont know the name of baby swans). The two adult swans were dipping there head at one of the baby swans and then we realised it was dead and the parents were tring to wake it up.
We saw two fishing umbrellas right near the sans so we walked over to see if they new anything, and the two fisherman were two kids and they looked guilty as hell and just said they dont know. We carried on walking for about 5 minutes and we eventually got round to the other side of the lake and we could here shouting and it was two blokes shouting at the kids from the opposite end of the lake. They told us that the two kids threw stones at the baby swan and killed it, and the two blokes were phoning up the rspca.
I was slightly annoyed and went back over to the kids but i didnt heart them as im about 5 years older than them, i simply grabbed there fishing rods and snapped them and chucked some box thing with maggots and hooks into the lake, then i simply walked off.

This is my first ever encounter with chavs doing something this bad and when i hear a lot of you talking about on here i think that your all exaggerating but now i beleive you that there scum

bakes0310 - I'm going to call you an idiot, you had NO RIGHT to do what you did. You went OTT and defiantly shouldn't have resorted to snapping their rods and destroying their property, if I was them it would be a phone call to the police on you. Ever broken a window while playing a ball game? Ever hurt someone while playing football? If your anything like most kids you probable have, did you mean to do it? No?! OMG, maybe it was an accident!

I like a few others am a keen fisherman, birds are a bane of any fisherman. I don't condone or agree with trying to kill the birds but I will try to scare them off if they are going to interrupt my fishing. I have in the past thrown small stones near the birds to scare them off, mainly while surface fishing. Luckily I'm now older, more mature and through experience developed ways to fish without the birds becoming such a problem. But I didn’t know any better when I was younger.

 

[theleg]

Im not saying that thats definately what happened...but its plausible is it not?

If there was a chance that these were just innocent kids who accidentally killed a swan, i dont think it was justified to smash the crap out of their stuff...

I've never seen anybody using rocks against a bird

Ok im not calling you a liar mate but I do find that hard to believe..Youve never seen anyone, ever, throw a stone into the water to scare birds away? You say against a bird like its an attack...Its not, I dont mean throwing stuff at the birds themselves, merely in their general area...Unless theyre right next to the bank, what else can you do?

I was only bringing your attention to the fact that the OP did have a bit more evidence that they were behind the killing, as you was suggesting.

I never questioned their guilt...It sounds pretty certain they killed it..What im questioning is whether it was an accident or whether they were scum who just wanted to kill a baby swan..

 

[cleanbluesky]

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You knew they were guilty of something and I suspect that you could tell whether the blokes on the other side of the lake were telling the truth...

You managed to teach two scallys a lesson without laying a finger on them, well done... and congrats for trusting your instuition

 

[theleg]

But you would also scare off any fish in that vicinity. Which defeats the whole point of fishing there.

People who throw rocks at birds to scare them off are quite retarded IMO.

No need to start insulting people...

Do swans and ducks also not scare the fish? and the idea is to scare them off BEFORE they get into your area and tangled in your line..You dont wait until they are humping your float before lobbing a cinder block at them.

 

[Spacky]

No need to start insulting people...

Do swans and ducks also not scare the fish? and the idea is to scare them off BEFORE they get into your area and tangled in your line..You dont wait until they are humping your float before lobbing a cinder block at them.

Fishing where young birds and ducklings are nesting is ok then?

I agree with ICraig on this one.

No need to start insulting people...

 

[Deep]

How do you know they killed a baby swan?

i dont know 100% but when 2 people are shouting at some kids, its pretty much always because they had seen them do something.

say the swan was dead already and the kids wernt throwing rocks WHY would people shout at them.
no one would, they probably wouldnt think that the kids killed it

 

[theleg]

Fishing where young birds and ducklings are nesting is ok then?

Are you simple?

Birds do not stay in one place....Every fishing lake or river in the entire country has birds nesting on it.. They tend to swim and fly around a bit...You know, like birds do....

 

[Spacky]

Are you simple?

No need to start insulting people...

Nice one.

 

[theleg]

i dont know 100% but when 2 people are shouting at some kids, its pretty much always because they had seen them do something.

say the swan was dead already and the kids wernt throwing rocks WHY would people shout at them.
no one would, they probably wouldnt think that the kids killed it

The point is mate...

From the other side of the lake, could they tell if the kids were trying to scare them off or doing it for fun?

This issue isnt about whether or not they killed the swan, we can assume they did...Its about why they did it.

 

[Luseac]

Bring back the power to the queen, that will sort the country out

Hear, hear!

Tbh bakes it sounds as if you did the right thing. I trust your not the sort of person to have done something like this without 100% believing that it was them that did it.