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Tefal said:
For some reason I doubt the average spice smoker is worried about a drug test at work.
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??? Spice has caused people to lose jobs.

I know several cases personally, where people have been FORCED to start smoking spice because they've got a drug test coming up at work.
 
This whole charade, in effect, is simply a horriffic advertisement campaign. Most people who enjoy getting high cant get hold of high grade cannabis locally. So they're being advertised these alternative freely available drugs.
 
asim18 said:
??? Spice has caused people to lose jobs.

I know several cases personally, where people have been FORCED to start smoking spice because they've got a drug test coming up at work.
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FORCED??

Wut, Really?

Are you saying somebody tied them into a chair, stuffed a Bong (Or whatever, see my post above) into their mouths and told them that if they didnt inhale the Kitten would get it??

Now, I actually do think that some relaxation of the drug laws might be appropriate. (I wouldnt go full on "Legislation" as such. Just "decriminalization" But that is another issue for another thread)

But claiming that people have been "Forced" to use Spice because of work place drug tests is like Me claiming I have been "Forced" to drink Meths because the local corner shop has gone dry. :rolleyes:

Really??
 
Orionaut said:
FORCED??

Wut, Really?

Are you saying somebody tied them into a chair, stuffed a Bong (Or whatever, see my post above) into their mouths and told them that if they didnt inhale the Kitten would get it??

Now, I actually do think that some relaxation of the drug laws might be appropriate. (I wouldnt go full on "Legislation" as such. Just "decriminalization" But that is another issue for another thread)

But claiming that people have been "Forced" to use Spice because of work place drug tests is like Me claiming I have been "Forced" to drink Meths because the local corner shop has gone dry. :rolleyes:

Really??
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Yes really. If you're a cannabis addict, its basically forced.
 
asim18 said:
When has a drug test at work actually fixed a person's drug habit? Never. Not once. Most cases it gets you fired and on JSA.
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It's more about ensuring everyone else's safety at work, at least in the industry I work in. No one gives a **** about the bloke getting sacked and whether he carries on using drugs or not.
 
Kenai said:
It's more about ensuring everyone else's safety at work, at least in the industry I work in. No one gives a **** about the bloke getting sacked and whether he carries on using drugs or not.
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Exactly. But that's not being disputed.

What about someone who had a spliff last night but is actually perfectly fine at work the next day?

I'm not talking about people who are smoking a spliff at lunchtime and then going back to work to operate heavy machinery or whatever.
 
MeEsH BaKkA said:
In this country the vast majority of the population already associate hard drug abusers as the crackheads and homeless scumbags they see on the street.

The reality is they are just a tiny tiny percentage of the problem. Take gambling as a relatable example, those skinny park sitting smackheads are the drug equivalent of degenerate gamblers, if it wasn't drugs it would be another uncontrollable addiction.

I'd wager the vast majority of heroin addicts in this country are employed, and not just in supermarkets, but in hospitals, schools, banks, government etc...

As for cocaine and crack, it's absolutely everywhere.

How do you police that?
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Why do even you need to police it?

As you say these people chasing highs or who need substances to work, are everywhere, in government, hospitals etc. The only thing "policing" something does is make a criminal economy out of an inherent social problem.

Get rid of the police and law and the value of drugs plummets back to intrinsic value of £300 per kilo instead of the currently heavily inflated prices of £30,000+ per kilo (and that's not even including cutting). What gangster wannabe will want to be making £5 per day?

Or does the price of cocaine actually stop people becoming addicts? (no it doesnt) No one will magically turn into a crack addict just because it's now 3 pence per hit. But what will happen is the entire criminal enterprise around drugs will be shut down overnight. Unfortunately this means having surplus police officers who need to have their wages justified but they cant just reduce police numbers due to being required for future police state.
 
Kenai said:
It's more about ensuring everyone else's safety at work, at least in the industry I work in. No one gives a **** about the bloke getting sacked and whether he carries on using drugs or not.
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A big problem with that idea is that many drug tests are completely irrelevant to safety at work. Cannabis is a particularly good example of that because the test is for metabolites of cannabinoids that will be detectable for quite some time, long after any effect of the drug. A comparison would be, for example, you having a pint of beer Friday night and failing a drug test the following Monday because of it. It's simply not a valid test for the purpose you state.

EDIT: I was actually understating the problem. Cannabis use can be detected a month after use. So it would be like you having a glass of wine at Christmas and that causing you to fail a drug test near the end of January.
 
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Angilion said:
A big problem with that idea is that many drug tests are completely irrelevant to safety at work. Cannabis is a particularly good example of that because the test is for metabolites of cannabinoids that will be detectable for quite some time, long after any effect of the drug. A comparison would be, for example, you having a pint of beer Friday night and failing a drug test the following Monday because of it. It's simply not a valid test for the purpose you state.

EDIT: I was actually understating the problem. Cannabis use can be detected a month after use. So it would be like you having a glass of wine at Christmas and that causing you to fail a drug test near the end of January.
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Cannabis is a pain for drug tests it stays in your system for up to 3 months, alcohol is moved by 1 unit an hour it only takes about 12 to 14 hours to process a bottle of red wine. Depending on your liver condition and eating lifestyle.

Even Cocain goes out your system faster than cannabis. Cannabis is a pain when it comes to drug tests, the residual affects are a killer. ;)
 
I suppose some employers don't want to take the risk of employing someone who smokes pot at all, even if it was a month since their last chooch.

I know railway engineers have to be completely clean.
 
Angilion said:
A big problem with that idea is that many drug tests are completely irrelevant to safety at work. Cannabis is a particularly good example of that because the test is for metabolites of cannabinoids that will be detectable for quite some time, long after any effect of the drug. A comparison would be, for example, you having a pint of beer Friday night and failing a drug test the following Monday because of it. It's simply not a valid test for the purpose you state.

EDIT: I was actually understating the problem. Cannabis use can be detected a month after use. So it would be like you having a glass of wine at Christmas and that causing you to fail a drug test near the end of January.
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It's not a perfect situation by any means but on the flip side of it, would you want to be the person signing off the guy who just failed said test to go and operate heavy machinery? I certainly wouldn't want to be the person signing off on that risk. In the absence of a test that can demonstrate use at work, use in general in the next best thing we have available and when it comes to the potential for people to be injured or killed, it'd be a brave manager to give that the all clear. Easiest solution is for people who want to take drugs to find employment in places that don't restrict employment with regards drug takers :p

(As an aside, I believe our D&A policy also requires people to declare prescription drugs/medications that may impair suitability to work, albeit you'd just be put on some sort of restricted duty rather than sacked!)
 
itchy said:
Cannabis is a pain for drug tests it stays in your system for up to 3 months, alcohol is moved by 1 unit an hour it only takes about 12 to 14 hours to process a bottle of red wine. Depending on your liver condition and eating lifestyle.

Even Cocain goes out your system faster than cannabis. Cannabis is a pain when it comes to drug tests, the residual affects are a killer. ;)
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Yea plenty of people get kicked out of the forces for having cannabis in their system days or weeks later when a random drugs test pops up.
 
asim18 said:
??? Spice has caused people to lose jobs.

I know several cases personally, where people have been FORCED to start smoking spice because they've got a drug test coming up at work.
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Wait what!?

"forced" as in you think smoking spice will somehow help pass a drugs test?
 
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