A fallen city..

Khaaan! said:
I would take unspeakable amounts of photographs there!

http://goo.gl/maps/yZn7

Many parts of Detroit look normal, maybe quite empty but condition looks normal and nice - The pictures posted are obviously select examples of the crumbling but a lot of the city looks good.
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If you look closely on google maps there are loads of areas where you can see the odd collapsed roof. The areas aren't completely abandoned because you can see some shiny cars in the drives, but next door the house will be nothing but a pile of timber.
 
"andy" said:
DEMF ? its all corporate now and ticketed with capacity for safety/security ,will still be excellent. the first year they did it in 2000 it was pretty underground and nearly didnt even happen , 1.5 million people showed up...


its really sad whats happened to detroit . especially as it has such a great history.
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yeah, he was going anyway and it's just timed with the end of his trip
 
Khaaan! said:
I would take unspeakable amounts of photographs there!

http://goo.gl/maps/yZn7

Many parts of Detroit look normal, maybe quite empty but condition looks normal and nice - The pictures posted are obviously select examples of the crumbling but a lot of the city looks good.
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Drag the orange guy a mile in any direction (except Canada :p) outside the business district. It's all ghetto out to the suburbs.

It's like any other borderline third world place. A rich minority of white people, with auto-locking car doors and carrying handguns, who work in the fancy clean business distinct, surrounded by poor brown people. Then every day at 5pm they drive as far away as they can to their gated subdivision in a "bedroom community" and pretend everything is fine and normal.
 
Where will we get all that lithium from for all the batteries? The cost of manufacturing and recycling them every 4-5 years as well will be astronomical.

Hydrogen fuel cells are not really independent of electric car, but would allow smaller battery packs, instant refuelling and extended range for the electric car.
 
Where (predominantly) does the energy come from to recharge electric cars? Last I checked, it wasn't renewable sources, so we're still burning fossil fuels to charge up each Toyota Pious.

Hydrogen may be less efficient, but (correct me if I am wrong) it is the most abundant substance in the universe. Surely we're better off working this into our vehicles instead of arsing around trying to make electric cars less abhorent. Nobody wants to charge their car for countless hours.
 
such a shame. capitalism sux yo.

Electric cars are blatently the future. Costs are decreasing all the time and there is enough nuclear fuel for 100s of years. Especially with new reactors.

hydrogen is blatently mega ineeficient if you spend 5 mins looking into it. energey is wasted when it is made and if used in a cell when converted to electricity and it is hardly safe.

Where as so much stuff needs batteries these days the tech is developing at a staggering rate as rewards are instant due to other industries demand, Even if you sort out the problems with hydrogen it might not take off for years.
 
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Someone link the thread to "60 minute makeover" or "Challenge Tommy Walsh" ;)
 
iraiguana said:
Where will we get all that lithium from for all the batteries? The cost of manufacturing and recycling them every 4-5 years as well will be astronomical.

Hydrogen fuel cells are not really independent of electric car, but would allow smaller battery packs, instant refuelling and extended range for the electric car.
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I'm not saying I have the answers, but at the moment I don't see hydrogen being feasible when less than a quarter of the energy originally generated ends up at the motor. Then there's the huge problem of delivering hydrogen in a practical manner: in fact by the time you've found an efficient way of delivering hydrogen in a sufficiently energy-dense format you're pretty much back with a hydrocarbon.

Theophany said:
Where (predominantly) does the energy come from to recharge electric cars? Last I checked, it wasn't renewable sources, so we're still burning fossil fuels to charge up each Toyota Pious.

Hydrogen may be less efficient, but (correct me if I am wrong) it is the most abundant substance in the universe. Surely we're better off working this into our vehicles instead of arsing around trying to make electric cars less abhorent. Nobody wants to charge their car for countless hours.
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Where does the energy come from to generate hydrogen? And how much of it actually ends up at the electric motor? Far less than with a pure electric vehicle, which is the point I'm making.

The energy for an electric vehicle currently comes from mostly fossil fuels, yes. But that doesn't mean that EV's shouldn't be the future. Having a 100% electrical chain from generation to use is a good start to breaking our dependency on fossil fuels. Of course generation needs to be sorted out too.

With hydrogen you still need vast amounts of energy to generate, store and use the hydrogen, even if you extract it from a fossil fuel. The link above shows that less than a quarter of this ends up at the motor. Whether it's abundant is irrelevant if it's useless as an energy storage medium and expensive to handle/manufacture.


Anyway, tangent explored. The pictures in the OP are pretty awesome I guess...
 
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