A mouse makes a difference..

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Amazing how much a mouse makes a difference in online shooters and it's not all about the frames! On my main gaming system generally I don't do too bad, helping out the team as much as possible with my logitech mx518. But on the other system which is a lot slower but still playable, at times it's been woeful. Many times feeling like when I'm controlling the mouse it's as if it feels laggy, missing many targets and generally being rather crap at any mouse setting.

The difference being the power system has the MX518 and the other lower grade system has been tested with a RAT mouse and a general stock mouse. So last night I swapped over the naff mouse on the lower grade system over to the MX518 I was using on my main system and all of a sudden I was doing more kills than many of my team mates.

So has anyone else felt this before with different mice? Ie the game feels so much different with a higher grade one
 
I think once you get to the higher level ones with good sensors then it's much of a muchness and the shape of the mouse and weight to it matters more to the user. There's obviously a huge difference going from some supermarket one to a decent gaming mouse though.

It starts to get a bit silly when non-pros start to swear by a specific sensor like the new 16k Hero, saying it upped their KD massively but they seemingly never have evidence from before and after.
 
It starts to get a bit silly when non-pros start to swear by a specific sensor like the new 16k Hero, saying it upped their KD massively but they seemingly never have evidence from before and after.

hah true!

Can't stand those weighty ones personally, especially with more of a lip on the side. Sometimes it's just too much
 
Pretty common knowledge I thought, however welcome to the world of knowing that trash mice will actually make you trash at aiming :p

Mice are ridiculously important, well to the point where you really should not use a bad one if you want to be even halfway competitive and have a frustration-free time. A fair amount of general use mice (and even some "gaming" ones from the past) have prediction and/or acceleration built in, which ruins your ability to build muscle memory. Anything you can do to improve that will mean much better performance in game. You want to be able to move your hand and put your cursor in the same spot without having to actually consciously aim, something that can't be done with accel and prediction going on. As above, once you've got one that isn't terrible, you're good.
 
hah true!

Can't stand those weighty ones personally, especially with more of a lip on the side. Sometimes it's just too much

My G502 has weights but I don't use them, however, it does have the lip on the side which I actually like with my grip as I can rest my thumb there without it catching on the mat.
 
Pretty common knowledge I thought, however welcome to the world of knowing that trash mice will actually make you trash at aiming :p

To tell you the truth Zefan, I've always understood that high grade mice were always better but I didn't know by how much when it comes to online first person shooters. I could never play Battlefield on this older system until more recently (x400 -> 980 TI ) but uninstalled by then so didn't get a chance to experience this mouse change. I've even had the opportunity to try chunky weighty mice and I hated them!

On the higher grade system I was always using the MX :D
 
I'm more about the shape.

I bought a few different mice when the one I was using broke. All highly rated but I sold them on after a week as they felt so strange to hold and they actually caused me finger pain.

I currently using a cooler master xornet which was by far the cheapest one I used, but it feels perfect to me I love it.

I do hold the mouse in a strange way though and I have a "double jointed" little finger which causes me issues I think so that has a lot to do with it no doubt.
 
Actually system performance matters more. Stable FPS even more so if you can smash 144fps and match up with a 144hz monitor. Most good FPS players will lower the DPI to 800/1000 anyway. So super high DPI is more of a gimmick than anything. Of course buying a crap off the shelf supermarket mouse won't be as good as a decent gaming one though.
 
Pretty common knowledge I thought, however welcome to the world of knowing that trash mice will actually make you trash at aiming :p

Mice are ridiculously important, well to the point where you really should not use a bad one if you want to be even halfway competitive and have a frustration-free time. A fair amount of general use mice (and even some "gaming" ones from the past) have prediction and/or acceleration built in, which ruins your ability to build muscle memory. Anything you can do to improve that will mean much better performance in game. You want to be able to move your hand and put your cursor in the same spot without having to actually consciously aim, something that can't be done with accel and prediction going on. As above, once you've got one that isn't terrible, you're good.

To tell you the truth Zefan, I've always understood that high grade mice were always better but I didn't know by how much when it comes to online first person shooters. I could never play Battlefield on this older system until more recently (x400 -> 980 TI ) but uninstalled by then so didn't get a chance to experience this mouse change. I've even had the opportunity to try chunky weighty mice and I hated them!

On the higher grade system I was always using the MX :D

I remember when I first was using the Razer Lancehead TE, the accuracy felt awesome but what got to me in the end was the weight. At 104g after a few hours I was suffering fatigue in my fingers and wrist. It could have been more to the fact it's quite a low profile mouse that I don't like claw gripping.

After that I jumped to the Steelseries Rival 310 from 2017 and have never looked back. Even to the extent I modified the Rival 310 down to 79g which felt even better.

Actually system performance matters more. Stable FPS even more so if you can smash 144fps and match up with a 144hz monitor. Most good FPS players will lower the DPI to 800/1000 anyway. So super high DPI is more of a gimmick than anything. Of course buying a crap off the shelf supermarket mouse won't be as good as a decent gaming one though.

I also remember getting used to 400dpi when Quake Champions was just released and it feeling like a brick. All these years later 400dpi feels fantastic with 1000Hz. I used to swear by 500Hz but 1000Hz feels so much better on a 240Hz display.
Even on the desktop I use 400dpi.

Then one day over a year ago after reading a lot of mouse aim techniques for aiming, I decided one day to try inverted. What a mind trip that was. 19 years of normal Y axis I felt like I was going to be sick. :D
Then stuck to it practicing each night in Quake Live and CS relearning muscle memory. It took maybe a total of 2 months to fully feel natural without thinking but it definitely improved my accuracy. That and the fact when I played flight games it was screwing me over with it being inverted at the time.

So now when I play any flight games, inverted feels natural in shooters and flight games. It took ages to learn it with a controller as well.


I'm always trying to improve my aim for sniper in The Division 2 and most of the time my accuracy is about the highest in the group through each mission. 62 - 75% accuracy with the most headshots. My accuracy only goes down usually in Legendary missions when there is a lot of cover hip fire spam since there can be 24+ npcs all firing towards you along with sniper dogs.

There has been many players thanking me in missions and shepherding endorsements for coming to their aid taking the aggro away from them as they get rushed to or close to their death while I'm sniping. Even those players dropping exotics/gear/weapons for my help.

I never thought I'd see the day where PVE in The Division can be just as hardcore as competitive PVP with speed run challenges and raids. Granted The Division also has small zone sections of PVP.
 
I use the roccat Kone. It's not the lightest and it's a good size which I like as well.


I think a lot depends on your had size and how heavy/light handed you are.

I do manual work so my hands are big and fought so that mouse suits me fine.

I went into a local store and tried about 15 before I bought one
 
I had a Logitech G9x for many years. Replaced it with a Zowie EC2-A which is a lovely mouse but just didn't feel quite right. Ended up getting a G502 Hero which was more like the G9x and I'm happier using it.

None of this made any difference to my game performance mind you!
 
Amazing how much a mouse makes a difference in online shooters and it's not all about the frames! On my main gaming system generally I don't do too bad, helping out the team as much as possible with my logitech mx518. But on the other system which is a lot slower but still playable, at times it's been woeful. Many times feeling like when I'm controlling the mouse it's as if it feels laggy, missing many targets and generally being rather crap at any mouse setting.

The difference being the power system has the MX518 and the other lower grade system has been tested with a RAT mouse and a general stock mouse. So last night I swapped over the naff mouse on the lower grade system over to the MX518 I was using on my main system and all of a sudden I was doing more kills than many of my team mates.

So has anyone else felt this before with different mice? Ie the game feels so much different with a higher grade one
I went from mx18 to logitech g502 it was an effortless transition they feel the same
 
I've tried and/or own a lot of mice and tried dozens to get the optimal setup for me - with the WMO 1.1a or Zowie FK series I get the perfect grip and sensor response (predictability and linearity) to get the fluidity and precision I need in games and I do way better with them than any other mouse no matter how much I try to get used to something different.

There have been mice that have great sensors that would work as well in that respect but just don't sit in my hand right and vice versa mice that sit in the hand well but have horrid glitchy sensor prediction or tiny little angle smoothing or snapping artefacts, etc. etc. which sometimes can be almost imperceptible but actually ruinous on your aim.
 
I had a mx518 then replaced it with an old razor copperhead that lasted me years, but once that broke I really struggled to find one that I got on with.

I had a steel series Sensei but the cable was too thick and affected movement. That died and I replaced it with a rival 300 which had a better cable and a nice shape but the switches were crap and really spongy.

Then I tried a Corsair m96 which had the best cable and switches but I found the shape difficult to grip.

I ended up getting a Zowie from a warehouse deal that only cost about £20, its lasted years now and has been the best mouse I have ever had.
 
I think once you get to the higher level ones with good sensors then it's much of a muchness and the shape of the mouse and weight to it matters more to the user. There's obviously a huge difference going from some supermarket one to a decent gaming mouse though.

It starts to get a bit silly when non-pros start to swear by a specific sensor like the new 16k Hero, saying it upped their KD massively but they seemingly never have evidence from before and after.
I use a steel series old wired mouse that was probably like 35quid 5 years ago.

never had an issue with it, don't see the hype with mice, I used a logitech g pro or whatever its called for a few months and did worse with it in league of legends
 
I've tried many mice, from cheap to expensive and honestly I suck equally with them all. Some are just more comfortable than others during the time I'm getting owned, cant really say any of them improved my ability as they cannot magic out of thin air something that doesn't exist.

The only mouse I've ever had an emotional connection with is my old Microsoft Habu, which is the mouse I had when I won my first clanbase cup on UT99. Still even in that match I was carried by 4 other team mates and I just made up the numbers.
 
Actually system performance matters more. Stable FPS even more so if you can smash 144fps and match up with a 144hz monitor. Most good FPS players will lower the DPI to 800/1000 anyway. So super high DPI is more of a gimmick than anything. Of course buying a crap off the shelf supermarket mouse won't be as good as a decent gaming one though.
Thats what I have is 800 dpi although I know a couple of people who play at 3000 and do well.
 
It's not the dpi I notice, it's the polling rate of the mouse.

I have a range of mice over the years and currently switch between a Dell wireless thing day to day and a Logitech gaming one when I can wrestle it back from the boy who likes the RGB on it.

The difference between them is night and day even when both set to the same dpi.

The Logitech one polls and updates the cursor position at a much faster rate than the Dell.

This is even the case in Windows OS. Mouse movement is smoother than the Dell. ... All other things being equal on a 165Hz display, the Dell mouse moves like 60hz.

This translates into games too. The movement being smoother with the Logitech mouse.
 
many people have dpi set to high. basically you should be able to move as fast as you can between targets items with no undershoot or overshoot.

skill obviously plays a part. doesnt matter how good your mouse is if you are terrible at gaming. high hz is a big help also pc performance. also the game you playing.
 
I'm still using my trusty G502 (first edition) after all this time. 400 DPI, 1000Hz and a good number of buttons on the side. Can't fault it whatsoever.

Apart from going wireless, I can't imagine much benefit to getting a newer mouse. But the difference is certainly clear when comparing to the cheapo ones.
 
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