A return to form: Say hello to Banana MK2, the Italian Prancing Horse (Ferrari 458 Italia)

You've done well with your 458. I can see 458 values for well kept low mileage cars in the right spec overtaking 488 values soon.
I know that HP values have fallen dramatically over the last year, which now made the deal affordable for me. I'm hoping that soon the residuals will level out, I mean, like the engine in your 458, it's one of the last great NA engines, it's the end of an era, they will never be repeated, surely they must start to be collectable and sought after at some point. Even if they fall some more, I was going to loose a lot if I'd kept the R8, and I know which car I'd rather be in.

In fairness dealers are pushing 488’s hard when I got my 458 they tried very hard to put me in a 488 to the point of reducing a car up at 179k down to 164k but I stuck to my guns and negotiated hard on the 458.

Few weeks ago had a letter requesting if I’d sell it them back as they had buyers looking for good spec cars on 2012 or later places no doubt because the late 2012 models got the revised suspension which made car 1-2s around their test track.

After a phone call with them their offer was 139k which I felt was quite strong as a trade offer as means they had a buyer around 155k no doubt.

But yes 488’s have come down for sure, 458’s have dropped a little too but I think in a few more years you are right.

Only down side for 458 Italia is that it was sold in large numbers, positive side is the cars that fetch the big money are ones in my spec in red or yellow and in as late as plate as possible.

You did right getting the HP as I don’t see them losing much more money now and even if they do bottom at 150k I think it’s fair to say 5-10k year depreciation on a Lamborghini super car is great going, I would take Performante over EVO anytime only thing is Lamborghini never end the line on a cooking model so their is bound to be an EVO Performante version but probably not called Performante but it’s well know it is likely coming and it’s then the last of that glorious V10.

Big capacity high revving NA cars are so special and so exciting, enjoy them whilst we can. :)
 
The guys at Autobrite are going over the car with absolute precision, getting it absolute spotless in preparation for their new ceramic products:


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I cannot wait to see the finished result in a few days time. :)
 
Are they using Banana gloss :p:cool:

They won’t be as they will be using their new ceramic wash, ceramic wax products.

However I tend to use banana gloss great suds, smell etc but if the new stuff is as good as they are saying I shall be very impressed.

Right now they are just preparing the car for the treatment and giving it a thorough cleaning throughout along with maybe some polishing work too if required. :)
 
Off the top of your head do you know how much autobrite charge for a paint correction and ceramic coating? I can't find any pricing on their website.

I am afraid you need to ask them directly, varies from car to car and treatment and coatings requested.


They have decided to now do a full correct on my paint as thought it was mainly some light swirling they did find some paint defects and have such decided to resolve them for me, any way it is looking pretty fabulous so far:


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Wow DAT GLOSS


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Couple of photos the owner at Autobrite sent me. :)

Absolutely chuffed its shinier and cleaner than day I collected it and probably looks better than the day it rolled of the factory line as well and the original buyer of this car absolutely nailed it with the specification, so much elegance and it just looks spot on. :)
 
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Pictures can be found in the 'Show Us Your Car' thread.

Gibbo - your 458 looks stunning! Looking forward to seeing it one day IRL



I went with Staffordshire Car Care, for the above described work, on my last car, the R8 and they did a great job.

The HP currently has ppf on the front, sills and rear arches (applied about two years ago by the first owner).
I'm after a mirror gloss wet-look effect and have been told that the way to achieve this is; paint correction and ppf with a ceramic coating on top - is this correct and if so any recommendations in the Midlands area?


Yeah I drive it a lot so am sure you will see it. :)

The new ceramic range Autobrite are using on my car is designed to give that wet gloss look with easy ability to keep topping it up or to add further gloss by placing a high gloss wax on top for those summer days or when you just fancy doing a bit of old school waxing on your car on a nice summers weekend.
 
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All done, just waiting for a dry day now to go collect the car as they have agreed to keep it in storage until dryer weather as be a shame to cover it in dirt and salt after all their work:


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They have a load of photos and videos, they will put on USB for me, I will probably take some more too and then post up some proper full car pictures in coming days/weeks. :)
 
I can't imagine pictures will do it justice compared to seeing it in person. You're going to have to bring it round everyone's house so we can admire it.


Hahahaha all come to OcUK in Summer, it will be parked outside.
Yes cameras cannot pick up the flake really but in fairness the flake also needs sun to show at which point it can almost look a little like gold dust is sprinkled over it, this photo demo it best from a meet last year when the sun actually came out:


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Now its being done it will look even better in the sun, rather excited and praying for good weather to get it out the garage. :)
 
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Could not wait any longer so went to Autobrite today to just drool at the car, the photos really cannot do it justice, the amount of gloss and wet look is on another level that in the flesh the gloss, shine and depth to paint is like threefold to how it looks in photos here, now leaving it with them to store until weather improves somewhat, so fingers crossed as I am heading to Ferrari end of April for an 812 Superfast loan car and test drive whilst this gets MOT, so 800+ horsepower shall be fun in February. :D


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Problem is even the Performante they made to many, the Evo has all but matched it and you know that they will still do a Super Trofeo / Leggera / Something for the EVO which will 'truly' be the last NA V10 Lambo with all the lightweight + ALA gimmicks. Look how many Gallardo run out specials there were, I bet the same will happen but with the modern Lambo volumes.

The 'EVO Super Trofeo Superleggera Tricolore Stradale' blah blah blah will end up selling 300+ cars in the UK just like the perf, then what happens to that 150k performante?


Yes very true indeed.

As I've mentioned so many times, out of everything I test drove I think the 458 was probably the slowest of all the cars, but it is the won I wanted the most after test drives.

The simple facts is I came away from most cars feeling not that stimulated or tingling, ok do not get me wrong if your coming from an average daily car and you drive any super car you shall be blown away, but I am someone who enjoys driving for driving and the fun of it. There are cars like GT86, MX5 which are huge fun to drive because you have to drive the wheels of them and you can do so whilst remaining somewhat legal.

I found particular when I drove the Huracan even gently the speeds involved would land me with a jail sentence, even worse the car felt well quite boring, the moment you push some of these car to the point they are engaging you or getting the hairs on your neck to raise you are doing some totally insane speeds. The Huracan was worse for this, I guess maybe you can blame the Audi influence for that somewhat, but even the RWD Huracan also felt quite numb to me. Mclaren was more engaging (570S) but to me it sounded just so bad and lets not get into Mclaren service and residuals but needless to say they do not exist.

End of the day it was so so close between a 991.1 GT3 RS and the 458, but the 458 simply won it, yes it is crazy fast car I mean it may of being the slowest but it still hits 60 in around 3s but the winner and shocker for me was when pedalling the car down a back lane was it felt so engaging without actually really pushing it, I remember going wow wow wow in the drivers seat and feeling like I was going really fast to look at the speedo to see 55mph and what I do like is the car will move around too if you so desire. :)

But why I really like Performante is basically no 4WS, out of the cars I've driven with this I tend to hate it because to me the car is almost reacting unnaturally to my inputs and it genuinely feels somewhat odd, maybe it is something you will get used but for me in the GT3 models I drove with I found it rather off putting and the Performante does not have it, but the EVO does.
 
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No point even worrying or thinking about this because otherwise you'd never buy any kind of supercar - even Ferraris are not immune (just look at the 812 and Pista prices).
Just buy the car you want at the price you're prepared to pay. Drive it and enjoy it. Life's too short! :D


This I would just say maybe be aware of it if your trying to get into a super car and don't want to end up in a situation in negative equity even with a large deposit, I've seen Mclaren 570S Spyder now moving for around 90k, needless to say they were 140-150k plus 12 months ago, all super cars will lose money but I'd like to keep that depreciation to around 20k per year and not 40-60k a year that some Mclarens seem to losing right now, but when those bottom out my will they be epic buys as I think anyone can a agree a 570S for 60k will be a great buy but just have a warranty if applicable or at least 20k aside for maintenance/repairs. :)

I've done around 7000 miles in the 458 this year, can't wait for warmer weather so I can properly start using it again. :)

I am also itching to get it back as I've decided to do another mod on the car, yep I am going to unplug those exhaust valves and let it sing all the time. :D
 
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I appreciate the sentiment but for most mere mortals a predictable / favourable running cost is essential. I'll never be baller enough to own anything like those, but with some man maths and sacrifices in other areas I might sneak into the bottom of the supercar market one day.



:eek:, that is incredible. Need seriously deep pockets for that scenario. I do wonder if McLaren actually have a plan for their current reputation, because I absolutely love the brand and the engineering is superb.

Can a 570S really get down to 60k? Surely not. The Gen 2 R8 is going to flat line around there I think, although the C8 Corvette might do some very weird things to values around that area!


Last year when I was looking to buy not even a dog of a 570S was under 100k, acceptable ones were around 110k, nicer ones 120k, the Spyders started 140k plus with many around 160k. Yet now 12 months on you can find a 570S for 85k and Spyders are also sub 100k and MP4-12C's have being swapping hands in the 50's.
Mclaren are not supporting used cars, they just want to sell brand new cars to ballers.

If they don't do anything then for sure I really think a 570S will for sure be around 60k in another 12 months, also lets remember the current prices we are seeing are still relatively low mileage examples. When these cars are at 50k miles they will be even less money that is a fact unless Mclaren turn around their reputation and do so fast. They make awesome cars, but they have reliability issues and it seems hit or miss how they deal with said problem when they arise.
 
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Haha to be honest it gets a lot of people looking at it and taking photos, Ferrari are a rare site on the road so it does get attention and it is rather bright. :D
But I am pleasantly surprised, owning the 911 those years back it certainly created jealousy amongst people as there was a few occasions where a member of public or another driver on the roads would give a typical hand gesture and no one ever really tried to ask questions, unless a petrol head and a car meet.

So getting a Ferrari I was expecting similar, but nope, the reactions are many and they have all being positive, its very similar to owning the Mustangs, people want to ask questions and know about the car and few request from Dads or Mums if their child can have a photo with it, normally happens in petrol stations and it does not bother me at all as everyone has being so polite and genuinely interested, so though it gets a lot of attention, it has been very positive.
 
It is weird how some cars do this.

Dad would occasionally get people knocking on his door, or stopping in the street whilst he washed his XKR, asking questions etc.

That has since amplified since getting a DB9 - with two people offering to wash it for him.


From my experience of cars and the brands I've owned and driven is that Porsche seems a hated brand, owning a Porsche makes you a hand gesture or have small genitals as far as the public is concerned, apart from people who have maybe driven a Porsche or owned one people just do not seem to get them, particular the 911. I will say again out of all the cars I test drove a 991.1 GT3 RS gave the 458 a true close call, on driving both I found it so difficult to separate them, the Porsche was winning on running cost (until I discovered Ferrari FREE servicing) and the Porsche is typically a more robust car or believed to be. Though the GT3 engine in the cabin is arguable the best in cabin sounding engine I have ever experienced, it was hard to experience on the road whilst remaining legal, as 7000rpm in 2nd gear is around 60mph, it is at around 7500rpm the noise turns godlike and the limiter in 2nd is 80mph something. Handling seemed mixed the 911 felt so connected and confidence inspiring but at same time the grip was low in wet/cold but in fairness truly communicative, but the 458 just felt way more special and not a single big wing in sight. Drive a 911, they are truly sensational, GT3 is absolute best of the bunch followed by GT4, the Turbo models do nothing for me, driven a few 911 Turbo's and well I'd rather take a GTR its more engaging.

It does seem the British public absolutely love Aston Martin and Jaguar, having owned two Jaguars and having access to a V8 Vantage I can say the comments are always the same, WOW what a beautiful looking car. People love British cars, knowing people who own Mclarens they report similar responses.
The Saleen Mustang got potentially the most attention of any car I owned, but back in 2006 I think it was a Mustang was an incredible rare site in UK, a Saleen Mustang was even rare US side, the response was hugely positive, the only negative response was from Police officers giving me speeding tickets. :D

The new Mustang also developed lots of random conversations and interest as I was one of the first in the UK to get one, plus it was grey not even a bright colour but in short people were like WOW, how much was it, well 35k, YOU WHAT, WHAT THE HELL, I thought it was a 60-80k car, of course the Mustang is now pretty much a 50k car, but in got a lot of positive attention.

Lotus is same, people love them even if they are not particular comfortable.

It is German cars that people seem to interpret badly, does it come from as far back as WW1/WW2? I don't think so you can buy an Audi R8, that is German too and for whatever reason, women in particular all of a sudden want your babies it seems if your single and what want women to throw their panties at you as you drive along, well its the car to buy, all the R8's I've driven, white, red, blue every women on the street was staring, yes its a good looking card but maybe its the ironman stigma. But Porsche, BMW M will get attention from petrol heads but generally negative attention from the public.

Ferrari and Lambo seem to just inject joy into people, Lamborghini the attention is unreal, but I think for many Lamborghini is the true poster car, the boyhood dream and when people see them they just fall in love and want a chance to ask you about it, the Ferrari gets a lot of attention too, the positive thing it always seems all very positive. :)
 
Interesting you say that, part of the reason I didn't bother with the R8 in the end was the image. IMO Audi have a terrible image problem and it even affects the R8, it is the chav brand of choice not to mention drug dealers etc. The RS3 has become the oik wagon of choice and it somehow extends all the way up the tree. Parking the 4C in Lidl is no problem, an R8 will be surrounded by hoodlums in no time.

I've never met a woman interested in cars really, but they know how expensive they are ;)


When I met my Mrs I had the F-Type, once we started going out and she discovered it cost me £80,000 she was like WTF and responded with its a nice car but I thought it was like a 40-50k car tops, not a 100k plus car new, that is a womens perspective who likes cars but has no real knowledge or understanding. When I asked her about 911's her comment was they are boring and shocked also at how much the special models truly are. She also did not stuff like M5's can cost 100k but believed all Range Rovers were very expensive until I showed her you can pickup an SVR one for around 50k used and regular cooking model for like 5k.

So I think it depends on the women, they value cars differently.
 
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My other half has about as much interest in my cars as I do her hobbies..

Well she likes cars and enjoys going for drives and she loved Santa Pod and the VMAX days we did and she is eager to do some track days too. I’m planning to book her in for some Caterham drift days to really improve her skills behind the wheel she will be scared at first but then love it, but she enjoys the driving and cars as much as I do in fact she can be a bad influence on car parts scene and mods lol.

I guess I’m lucky that our hobbies we share them as she is a gamer and reviews computer hardware for a living and so we have plenty in common or would hope so now we’re living together.

Yes I leave fashion to her I mean she sorted my socks issue out. ;)
 
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